Why are incels hell bent on making their own happiness someone else's responsibly?

Why are incels hell bent on making their own happiness someone else's responsibly?

It's women's fault I'm unhappy

It's Chad's fault I'm unhappy

It's my mom's fault

It's so and so's fault

Kek you would spend every waking moment curled into a ball sobbing and weeping if you went through 1 year of my childhood.

Depression and hopelessness in contrast to other people's happiness.

mommy didn't bring me tendies and muh uncle touched me so now i'm a tranny

Yeah you and the other 81231263 incels out there kek. Whining is your only personality trait.

My childhood was hellish too man, I still do well as an adult. Friends, fiance, good paying job, I keep fit, the life I wanted when I was young.

The difference is mentality. You let life break you and you sayed broken, life broke me and I built myself back better.

You make up things to get upset about. I couldn't imagine being that sheltered you.

My pain was caused by others exclusively, and that gives me the right to take away their happiness or force them to give me something in turn.

You let life break you and you sayed broken

You are making assumptions about my life based on almost nothing. My childhood was actually relatively mundane. I just hit my head a loooooot lol.

you would spend every waking moment curled into a ball sobbing and weeping if you went through 1 year of my childhood.

You are making assumptions about my life based on almost nothing. My childhood was actually relatively mundane.

Pick one

Based, real, and relatable

Where does that blame get you? Does it solve your pain? Does blaming other people generate any sort of action which changes your current situation?
Or does it just make you more embittered and resentful, and cause you more pain?
If blaming other people solved your problems, you wouldn't have to blame them very long. But that isn't what happens, it just makes your problem worse. Then you blame them more, and it gets worse, so you blame them more.
That's why.
Okay then, try the next layer. Why can't you find happiness on your own? Have you asked yourself that one?

I wasn't talking about physical pain.

because as a form of life the external world affects how i feel. that's the entire point of having feeling jerkoff, as a way of perceiving and reacting to the external world

moving goal posts

BTFO

why can't you find happiness on your own

Because I have some needs that require another person to fulfill - for example, companionship, socialization, reproduction, etc

most incels don't blame people around them but their own genetics, which nobody really is at fault for since it's pretty much completely random
this is the true point they're making
normalfaggots just spin it in their heads in a way that they don't have to think about how lucky they got - that causes them cognitive dissonance since in the normalfaggot's midwit mind everything has to be under his control

Please don't project your frustration onto me, I don't like it.

external world affects how i feel.

reacting to the external world

You make no mentions of the internal world, which is half of the world. Why are you ignoring half of the equation?

Also, the external world only affects how you feel if you allow it to do so. They're your feelings. The external world can only control you if you give it the keys and the drivers seat.
So, why aren't you sitting in the drivers seat?
That's a different thing entirely. I asked you about happiness, and you gave an answer about satiation.
Why is it that you need someone else to make you happy? What is it that you think you're lacking, and cannot provide yourself? Why can't you be your own friend?
Genetics are not completely random. By blaming genetics you're blaming your parents.
Your actions are under your control. It's not like your actions are predetermined by your genetics. You're not a computer who was programmed to act in a specific way, and it's impossible for you to act outside of that predetermined code.

Victim mentality in america started the second we got rid of the draft, I wonder why that is?

This is why I vote exclusively conservative ticket now despite being a longtime progressive, we need to send all these leeches off somewhere, make them china/russia/iran's problem instead.

I think that it's not very hard to understand my answer? How can a person simultaneously be happy and dissatisfied?

why do you need someone else to be happy

I think I answered this already

what am I lacking and can't provide myself

A lot of things. I can't start a family on my own. I can't have sex with myself. I can't split the chores with myself. I can't go on dates with myself. Human connection is pretty important, trying to find solitary substitutes hasn't been effective for me.

why can't you be your own friend

Because what I need is a connection with another person, and to feel loved by another person.

Genetics are not completely random. By blaming genetics you're blaming your parents.

You might as well have been born as somebody else. From your POV, it was random. So was the environment that favors some over others.

Your actions are under your control.

Do you really believe this? With the knowledge that we have from medicine? Most of what you do and who you are is not under your control. Can you control your heartbeat, for example? But then, you believe you can fully or almost fully control your mind? "Free will" is a concept from the Middles Ages. It's been obsolete for a long time. Thankfully.

It's not like your actions are predetermined by your genetics.

Who knows? If you look at the animal world. Don't you think a lion acts characteristically as a lion? That his behavior that comes from his mind has adapted to his shape that we already know is determined by his genetics? The brain is only another organ.

You're not a computer who was programmed to act in a specific way, and it's impossible for you to act outside of that predetermined code.

No, it really is. Of course, you can repress your instincts consciously, but you'll only move them into the subconscious.

I think that it's not very hard to understand my answer?

I understood your answer. It was just not an answer to the question I asked.

How can a person simultaneously be happy and dissatisfied?

Well, because they're separate things. You can be satisfied and unhappy, or even happy and dissatisfied.
It's actually very common for people, when completing a goal, to become unhappy, even though they are satisfied.
Happiness comes from the pursuit of a goal, satisfaction comes form obtaining that goal, often at the cost of happiness.

A lot of things.

And what do these things provide you?

and to feel loved by another person.

And why can't you feel loved from yourself?

I'm asking these questions because you're clearly using these things to fill a hole, and all your answers are neatly avoiding the hole as if it's not there. You keep answering in a way like "Oh if I had [x, y, or z] then I wouldn't have this hole." But you won't acknowledge the hole, it's like if you just ignore it, it'll go away.
But you know that isn't true.

The thing I'm trying to get you to see is, why do you need someone else to provide you these things in order for yourself to feel whole? What is it that you're lacking on the inside which you're using the external to fill? Why aren't you good enough for yourself?

If you don't understand how my answer was a response to your question, then you did not understand my answer.

what do these things provide you?

Happiness

why can't you feel loved from yourself?

I can love myself. But that's not what I need.

I think that it's really important to you to identify some alternative reason I am unhappy, because if women aren't making me unhappy then my unhappiness is not women's fault, and therefore women don't have to take accountability. I don't know if you are personally a woman or just protective of women, but the fact is your insistence that I am "missing something" is untrue.

because theyve grown up with media and parents telling them that they need others (friends, girlfriends, boyfriends) to be happy. some learn to grow out of it, others let the need for someone else to validate their existence control them

avatarfag

wants to bring back the draft

holy shit lmao. you'd piss and shit yourself the second you started basic training.

From your POV, it was random.

No, you just want it to be random. It's just an excuse so you can throw your hands up in resignation and say "It's not MY fault I did that!"

So was the environment that favors some over others.

The environment doesn't favor anyone. It's out to kill everything and everyone. Some just decided they're not going to die.

Do you really believe this?

Absolutely.

Most of what you do and who you are is not under your control.

That's just downright wrong. A lot of it is learned responses and behaviors, skinnerbox style. But those behaviors can be altered. You can un-train your learned responses and replace them with whatever you want.

Can you control your heartbeat, for example?

Yes. I can speed it up or slow it down. I could stop it if I tried hard enough. But, I'm not intent on dying, so I won't do that.

But then, you believe you can fully or almost fully control your mind?

Again, absolutely. It's my mind. They're my thoughts, my feelings, my emotions.
I can relax my grip on my mind, and allow it to produce what it wants, and I can observe what arises from the unconscious parts of mind. Then I can change those parts. Basically nobody does this though. They're in a perpetual fight with themselves, trying to stuff their ugly thoughts down, as if that will make them go away.
Then they say they have no control over their own thoughts.
But of course, you don't. You can't fight yourself into submission. It doesn't work like that.

Don't you think a lion acts characteristically as a lion?

What about a lion who has been raised outside of his natural habitat from the moment he was born? There's more to behavior than genetics, environment also plays a factor. It also happens to be that your attitude is also part of your environment.

No, it really is.

Odd, I wouldn't have taken you to be a believer in God. Given what you just said about free will.
This position hinges entirely on there being a "grand coder", you know that, right?

I did understand your question, but you answered a different question. It's like I asked you "What's your favorite kind of cake?" and you answer "Sour cream and onion potato chips".
Yeah, they're both foods, but your answer doesn't answer my question.

Happiness

Again, the things you're mentioning provide satisfaction, not happiness. Happiness does not come from owning external things, it just doesn't. That's what all your answers are centered around, having things. Having a family, having a person, etc. It's like saying "having a big house would make me happy" or "having a lot of money would make me happy".
But, again, this is not happiness.

If you don't solve the problem I'm pointing at before you get to this place where you have these things, you're going to sabotage it. All because it won't give you what you want.

your insistence that I am "missing something" is untrue.

Doesn't seem that way in the slightest, especially considering how you keep talking about filling the void inside of yourself with external objects. That's the type of language people who are missing something speak. The thing they use to fill the void varies. Some people use money, some people use other people, some people use drugs, videogames, gambling, etc. But their problem is all the same.
A void.

But, if you don't want to look at the void because it's too painful, then... Well, nothing can be done. It's a shouganaino moment.

Look at what you're doing, man. You're inventing an incoherent narrative about a stranger on the internet just to avoid the possibility that maybe some people do find happiness in external things and suffer when they don't get them. What compels you to do this? I think my theory, which you ignored, is pretty sound. I think you know that women harbor some responsibility for their choice to neglect men's needs, and it makes you uncomfortable to consider the implications of this, so you would rather blame those who are suffering.

It's just an excuse so you can throw your hands up in resignation and say "It's not MY fault I did that!"

I'm not resigning. I'm not blaming anyone. Stop trying to read my mind.

The environment doesn't favor anyone.

It does, if you believe Darwin. I do.

A lot of it is learned responses and behaviors, skinnerbox style.

A lot could me a lot. Who knows "how much" control you have over your mind. Ask yourself how much control do you have over your body? Do you control your organs? Your blood flowing through your veins, the reflexes that you're instinctively born with? I'm going out on a limb here - I admit but I have to - and it is well-justified. I'm convinced even you would admit they are corners of your mind that you do not have control over or access to.

Yes. I can speed it up or slow it down.

And then all of a sudden - you find yourself in a situation where you have to be calm and can't. I know you're eager to prove me wrong - for what reason, I do not understand - but do not be so blatant about it.

You're not a believer in that Buddhist mumbo jumbo, are you? I only trust in Western medicine.

What about a lion who has been raised outside of his natural habitat from the moment he was born?

This lion does act characteristically as a lion, too. The way he sleeps, for example. The way he eats. Some behavior would not have been learned, that's true. By and large, the behavior of the animal would be characteristic for a lion.

There's more to behavior than genetics, environment also plays a factor

Yes, I fully agree, but the environment is very rarely under your control, either.

It also happens to be that your attitude is also part of your environment.

That is true. But your attitude is shaped more by the environment than the environment is shaped by your attitude.

Odd, I wouldn't have taken you to be a believer in God.

I'm actually a believer in God. But not the Christian God. I believe in a callous God that does not care for humans.

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This position hinges entirely on there being a "grand coder", you know that, right?

I don't think a "grand coder" is necessary for my version of "determinism". It's not that philosophical. For example, ants are very predictable. You'd agree, I'm sure. But hardly they'd go for a proof of God. Same for humans.

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You make no mentions of the internal world, which is half of the world.

the external world obviously affects my internal world you brainlet

Because one does not find happiness in external things. One finds satisfaction. They are different things.

You're inventing an incoherent narrative

It's not incoherent at all. You're missing something inside of yourself, and you're using the external world to fill the hole. If you want ot ignore me and pretend like the things I'm saying have zero validity, then fine.
I'm also not really inventing anything, I'm just listening to what you're saying. Maybe you've never had anyone do that, so you don't know what it's like when someone actually listens.
But, that's all I'm doing.

All your problems within yourself are just going to carry over into whatever relationship you have. I know you think you don't have any problems, and you're simply just missing a relationship to fulfil your carnal needs, but it's deeper than that. The sooner you realize that, the better off you'll be in the long run.
Or you can ignore it and blow up your relationship, assuming you get one, or just sabotage yourself into never getting one.
Either way.

I think you know that women harbor some responsibility for their choice to neglect men's needs,

Your needs are not someone else's responsibility. They're your needs, your responsibility.

so you would rather blame those who are suffering

I'm not blaming anyone. Merely asking why you're doing the things you're doing.

one year of my day-to-day life makes normalfags like you tweak out and commit suicide.
If you had to live like me, let me guess, you'd pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get to work?
hahahahahaha you dicks will never understand how you treat autistic men, unless you were to experience life as one yourself.
Not to worry though, I live like this because to me, it's a better alternative than having you people around, meanwhile you live your normalfag life because it's what you're used to, you have shit to lose and I don't, so when life stops rewarding you and takes your comfort away, I'll cheer as you go insane and off yourself.

It is unironically society's fault I am unhappy because it gave whores rights they don't deserve.

I'm not really going to get caught up in the question of whether your story makes sense or not, because I know you won't listen to me either way. I do want to reply to your last bit

people aren't responsible for my needs

They're responsible for the choices they make. They choose not to be in a relationship with me, and therefore choose not to make me happy. I'm not making any claim one way or another on whether this choice is justified. But it is a choice, they do have agency in regards to my happiness, and I think they like to imagine they don't because they don't want to consider the implications of it.

my neighbor layed an egg reading this lmao

drafting women

kek thats the other reason i vote republican there never going to draft women like me only other incel scrotes like you

enjoy dying scared and pussyless fag

women like me

stfu troon ywnbaw. can't wait til the republicans round up all the trannies and gas them to death.

I'm not resigning.

That's precisely what you're doing. Do you want me to quote you saying that nothing you do is inside of your control? And that all your actions are actually just a consequence of your genetics, and that you can't even control what goes on in your own mind? You even said that free will is, and I quote:

""Free will" is a concept from the Middles Ages."

If that isn't resignation, what is it? You're displacing every shred of responsibility onto something you have no control over. You aren't responsible for any action you take, it's just your genes acting on their pre-programmed code. It's not your fault that you're in this position, it's just mere random chance, and you got unlucky.

Darwin

Well, I don't, for the same reason I believe the vast majority of what Dawkins says.

Who knows "how much" control you have over your mind.

I know. Because it's my mind. I can assume that most other people also have at least as much control as I have. In the same way they have the same amount of control over their limbs and vestiges.
Unless, maybe, everyone else was born with some birth defect which paralyzed their mind.
But, I doubt that. Even if simply because that would be a terrible world to live in. I don't want to live in a world where every single person on the earth outside of myself is unironically an NPC.
And the perspective you're putting forward is that you are an NPC.
I don't buy it, and I don't know why you do.

Do you control your organs?

The brain controls all the organs, and I control the brain. So, yes. If I really wanted to stop my organs, I could. But, I do not want to. Being alive is kind of... magical. For lack of a better term.

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I'm convinced even you would admit they are corners of your mind that you do not have control over or access to.

Incorrect. They're difficult to access, yes. But I can still access them. Everything within my mind is within my mind. It's like saying there are parts of my house that are off limits to me. I find that to be absurd. Sure, some places are more difficult to get to, but I can get there if I want. I can go on the roof and I can even go under the house itself. I can go where I want.
This is simply because I do not fight myself. If I want to see something, I let myself see it. And if myself wants to show I something, I don't stop that.

you find yourself in a situation where you have to be calm and can't.

Not can't. I still can, although in that moment I may not know exactly how. But through repeated exposure, I find how. I know this because I've done it. I can even learn to conjure that feeling of "not calm" outside of that scenario and study it in detail to figure out where it comes from and why it's there. If I can summon it, I can dismiss it. And I can summon any feeling I want. I can summon hunger, in love, sad, happy, angry, calm, anxious, any feeling I want.

Buddhist mumbo jumbo, are you?

I don't know what that means.

This lion does act characteristically as a lion, too.

But less so than one in the wild. A lot of what a lion is, is learned from other lions.

But your attitude is shaped more by the environment than the environment is shaped by your attitude.

I don't think that's the case.

I believe in a callous God that does not care for humans.

Are you Gnostic? Kind of sounds like it.

"grand coder"

"Someone" had to code things to determine the outcomes. Determinism hinges on that. It's an infinitely regressing idea until you get to a grand coder.
It's like dominos set up to fall over in order. Someone had to set them up like that.

There is not a single normalfaggot on the planet who has said "you don't need others to be happy" that has been as socially isolated as I have been.
Go ahead and say "you don't need others to be happy" when you track the last time you talked to someone in person not work or business related in literal years.
Normalfags don't know have the slightest clue what the fuck they are talking about.

I've been doing nothing except listening to you.

They're responsible for the choices they make.

Just as you are for your own choices.

and therefore choose not to make me happy.

That isn't how that works.

they do have agency in regards to my happiness

That's you. You have agency in regards to your happiness, they do not.

You have a very selfish and emotionally undeveloped perspective. It's like you believe your emotions outweigh everyone else's. And you're completely willing to make other people unhappy, as long as it makes you happy.

that isn't how that works

Well that's compelling. Why didn't I consider that?

they do not have agency in regards to my happiness

They have two choices: one that makes me happy, and one that does not. They therefore have the power to make a choice that makes me happy. The power to make a choice is called "agency." Thus, if you have the power to make a choice that either will or will not make me happy, then you have agency in regards to my happiness.
I want to be very clear about this, because I think you missed it earlier: I am not saying that they are obligated to make me happy. I am not saying I am entitled to them making the choice that makes me happy. My only point is that they do have that choice. It's not out of their hands.

From what am I resigning? Well, if you mean I am resigning from the concept of "free will". Then yes, I do resign from that. If you mean I am resigning from life. Then you're wrong. The latter is what I understand by "resigning".

Well, I don't, for the same reason I believe the vast majority of what Dawkins says.

I don't keep up with Dawkins. But I'm sure he does not dispute "natural selection" as Darwin described it. For an evolutionary biologist, that would be idiotic.

I know. Because it's my mind.

The Romans believed, the "thoughts" originated in the gut. Confidence is no proof for me, nor is even indication. Our brain decides BEFORE we become aware of it.

And the perspective you're putting forward is that you are an NPC.

This pejorative does not impress me. As matter of fact, I do believe that we have control over SOME of the mind. But not much.

If I really wanted to stop my organs, I could.

The point is not to violently stop them - which is not given that you could - but to control them. For example, if you are panicking. To make the "panicking" go away. Decrease the heart beat, stop the release of adrenaline. You can't clap your hands and it'll do that. Or, as another example, to stop you pupils from contracting, when going from a dark room into a brightly lit room. There are many of these things.

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They have two choices: one that makes me happy, and one that does not.

You have two choices, to be happy with the choice they made, or not to be happy with the choice they made.

I am not saying I am entitled to them making the choice that makes me happy.

That's exactly what you're saying, actually.

Not only are you saying that you're entitled to other making the choices that make you happy, you're doing it in an extremely manipulative way. It's very underhanded. You're implying that they're obligated to do what makes you happy, because if they don't, they're going to make you sad.
You literally said "If [they] don't do what makes me happy, it's their fault I'm sad."
This is absolute peak guilt tripping and manipulation. I bet you learned this tactic from your mother.

Other people are not responsible for your emotions, you are.
You're setting yourself up for failure with your perspective. Healthy people who are trying to settle down and make a family do not want to be with someone who has no control over their own emotions, and who is entirely reliant on the external world for emotional stability. The moment something bad happens, you're a total mess.
Manipulators, though, they'll eat your ass alive. Because they can pull on all your willfully exposed string.
And I bet, I bet BIG TIME, this is all related to your mother. Just going out on a limb here, but it really sems like you're trying to recreate something there.

im not a normalfag but you really dont NEED others to be happy. learning to accept that is probably the most freeing revelations you can have

that's exactly what you're saying, actually

I'm genuinely in awe. I've encountered a lot of retardation since I've started using this site, but I have never met someone who directly told me I was making an argument I wasn't making, while I was in the process of explaining why I didn't make that argument.

Incorrect.

For example, do you have control over your sexuality? Who you are attracted to and what you like? You don't. Do you dispute this?

I can summon hunger, in love, sad, happy, angry, calm, anxious, any feeling I want.

You're being ridiculous. If somebody puts a knife on your throat, you'll panic. Frankly, I would, too. Anybody would. People are no terminators. Only in cartoons.

A lot of what a lion is, is learned from other lions.

A lot could mean a lot. Most of it is "intrinsic" to the lion. They way he sleeps. The way he eats. They way he walks and runs. Those are not learned. Of course, some of the behavior of the lion is learned. But most of it is intrinsic.

I don't think that's the case.

Please. I could give you THOUSANDS of examples.

Are you Gnostic? Kind of sounds like it.

No, I'm not. I don't subscribe to any organized religion or philosophy. I take from here and there, but mostly I make up my own as I go along.

"Someone" had to code things to determine the outcomes.

Honestly, it's not that philosophical. Or do you think the existence of ants proves the existence of God?

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I will read your posts, if you respond. I will reply, if the thread is up. You did not convince me, but I had a good conversation with you.

more normalfaggot sophistry

hurr durr you don't NEED love or social connections to live, you don't die if you don't have it

so just, like, learn to not feel bad about not having it

Me? I've never seriously lacked it. But I know my statement is reasonable because I have high IQ

If you mean I am resigning from life

I did not mean that. I meant you are resigning from being the one who orchestrates your own life. You've aligned yourself with a perspective that makes you an NPC. You have no control over anything, you're just a preprogrammed robot acting out its demanded code. No agency, no will, no ability to decide or make choices.
But, on the ""bright side"", nothing is ever your fault.

Dawkins.

Sorry, I meant I DON'T believe in Dawkins. I think both Dawkins and Darwin are idiots. My mistake.

the "thoughts" originated in the gut

Well, they're not wrong, in a sense. It's because a lot of sensations are in the guts. A lot of emotions are felt in the gut.

This pejorative does not impress me.

I'm not using it as a pejorative. You are a self proclaimed NPC. You claim to not have free will. You lack the ability to act outside of your predetermined code. Like an NPC. If an NPC has 3 speech lines, they can't create a 4th. An NPC can't decide to go outside of its predetermined path.
You're the one who said you're an NPC. I just put a relatable term to it so that you can understand what you're actually saying.

we have control over SOME of the mind

Interesting how you back pedaled there. So you do believe in free will?

For example, if you are panicking. To make the "panicking" go away.

Yes, I can do that.

Or, as another example, to stop you pupils from contracting, when going from a dark room into a brightly lit room.

Yes, I can actually do that too. It's really hard to see, but I can.
I can also dilate my pupils in the light and turn everything into an oversaturated blob.
I can lower my heart rate when I'm panicking and make the panic go away. And I can increase my heartrate when I'm calm, and induce panic.

I detailed out why you are actually making that argument. If you're unwilling to acknowledge your own motivations... well.
My intentions are not to convince you that I'm right, or even to convince you that you're wrong.
Just to provide an alternate perspective.

If I can do something, so can you. If I can look at the world like this, so can you.
It is nice to have a genuine talk with someone who doesn't strawman at every corner, though. It's rare around here. So, thanks.

You don't. Do you dispute this?

Yes, I do dispute this. I can be attracted or repelled by whatever I want. I could be attracted to trees if I wanted to be. I can consciously create the chemicals that produce whatever emotion. I can choose to be angry right now. I can just turn it on, or turn it off. I can produce love chemicals, I can produce excitement chemicals like I'm on a roller coaster. I can turn it down and experience the death of a loved one. I can experience the awe of looking at the night sky, or the fear of standing face to face with a predator who is salivating at the thought of eating me.

If somebody puts a knife on your throat, you'll panic

I've been in that scenario, except with a gun, and pointed directly at my face. I can say, with complete certainty, I can control my own panicking.
It might sound ridiculous, but I think other people are ridiculous claiming they can't control it.

But most of it is intrinsic.

But what is intrinsic can be retrained. You can turn a lion into a house cat. And you can alter the DNA of that lion-house-cat through training, such that its offspring would be even more house-catafied. It's what we did with dogs.
DNA and genes are not static, they're changeable. You can change your own DNA and then pass on that change to your children. Same with animals.

I could give you THOUSANDS of examples.

I'm not saying the environment doesn't affect your attitude, just that your attitude influences the environment more than the environment influences your attitude.

Or do you think the existence of ants proves the existence of God?

No. But determinism hinges on there being a God.

Okay, but... you understand that the person making a statement is the authority on what he means when he says it, right? How do you go through your daily life constantly telling people that they are wrong about what they themselves believe? Imagine I told you right now that you believe the sum of two and two is five, and that if you said "no, I believe the sum of two and two is four," I tried to correct you and demonstrate that you do in fact believe the sum of two and two is five. Wouldn't you recognize how fucking retarded that is? I'm not even angry, just dumbfounded. I've never met someone as stupid as you.

How do you go through your daily life constantly telling people that they are wrong about what they themselves believe?

By having a fairly deep understanding of what words mean, and of people in general.

You are the one who said other people are responsible for your emotions. You said that, not me. In fact, I said the opposite. You are the one who said, again, and I quote, verbatim:

"They're responsible for the choices they make. They choose not to be in a relationship with me, and therefore choose not to make me happy."

You can say that you don't believe people are obligated to put you first, but you believe it regardless. You believe that people ARE obligated to put your emotions first. Or else you wouldn't believe your emotions are their responsibility. That's exactly what responsibility means, it's their obligation.
If I'm responsible for a child, I'm obligated to take care of them. If something happens to the child, I bear the responsibility. Because I am the one who is obligated to take care of them.

If I'm responsible for your emotions, I'm obligated to take care of your emotions. You see how this works?

I can give you the benefit of the doubt, and say that you're not consciously doing this. You may not consciously and intentionally be manipulating people, and you may not consciously believe that your emotions are their obligation. But you DO believe it.

I'm not even angry

That isn't what your language says:

Wouldn't you recognize how fucking retarded that is?

I've never met someone as stupid as you.

These aren't neutral statements, they're charged, reactive, and emotionally loaded. If you're angry, fine, but pretending you're not while using this kind of language just makes it look like you're repressing it. Which, seems like something you do very often. Given that you even repress your own motivations.
It's very clear there's a lot going on in your head that you're completely unaware of.

This is genuinely incredible. I am being honest when i say I'm not angry. What I feel is awe. The sheer retardation emanating off of your posts could be studied. It could be used to power a small African nation. I genuinely think people who read this post lose IQ by doing so. What I feel isn't anger, it's reverence. This is a special moment, something you don't encounter often. I think that this belongs in a museum.

I think I might be able to explain this to you. Responsibility is the state of being the person with agency in the decision making process. It does not mean you are obligated to make one choice or another. For example, if you are given the choice between ordering vanilla or chocolate ice cream, and you choose vanilla, you are RESPONSIBLE for the fact that you received vanilla ice cream, but you were under no OBLIGATION to order vanilla ice cream. You could just as easily have ordered chocolate, and it would have been an equally valid choice. You can see how a person who chooses between one option that makes me happy and one that makes me unhappy is responsible for the choice, but not obligated to make one choice or another. I really am capable of saying what I mean. I don't need anyone to tell me what I mean; I am the arbiter of what I mean, and I know what I mean better than you do.

I find it humorous that, instead of engaging with the words I say, you resort to blatant, petty insults.
Just like an angry person who is insecure about their own intelligence would.

You use a lot of fighting words, a lot of contempt and hostility. There's a certain dissonance between the words you use and your proclaimed "awe". Seems an awful lot like you're trying to hide the fact that you're upset, rather than just owning it. But, you're not even hiding it from me, just hiding it from yourself.
What, is anger one of the emotions you find to be lesser? Does it indicate weakness? Impulsivity? Why is it you cannot reconcile your own anger?
Your metaphor doesn't work, you missed a key bit of information.

I'm picking ice cream FOR you, not for myself. I know that chocolate is your least favorite, most hated ice cream and that you love vanilla. I'm the one responsible for picking YOUR ice cream. Now I'm obligated to pick the ice cream that you would most desire. I'm not picking for myself, I'm picking for you. I'm responsible for the ice cream you will get. Just like I would be responsible for the emotional response you would have.
This is the scenario you've set up, especially in your earlier posts:

am the arbiter of what I mean

That's funny, really funny. You claim full authority over your intentions, you're the arbiter of your words.
But when it comes to your feelings, you hand that authority over to other people?

So which is it, are you in control of your inner world, or is everyone else?

And really, this ice cream metaphor you've provided just proves you don't believe your own lies. It's all copium.

You know full well that other people are not responsible for your emotions.

Why are normies like this too? Why don't most of them just have a farm and a field instead of relying on farmers for it?