When did pic related start becoming acceptable, and why are men doing this to themselves?

thinks they were all relationships and no casual or hookups

then you're just naive

When did pic related start becoming acceptable, and why are men doing this to themselves?

Literally the separation of religion and state at first.
And then religion being less common. There's a reason why the middle east still has this mentality.

I've been dumped by a girl because she was bothered by how many partners I've had. It sucks but what can you do.

Most women would think so, yes. A man who many women want is deemed highly attractive by other women. Look up preselection.

I'm a husband.

Oh okay, so its totally okay then if some other dude has sex with your wife.

I think we are well past the point of women getting defensive about the word "slut", I cannot remember the last time I've heard it be used as an insult.

I've been with 10+ women so I have no leg to stand on

I don't know if I agree. I had the opportunity to fuck two different women before I was 25, literally naked and fooling around with both. I passed on sex because I wanted it to be with someone special and I wanted a gf, not notches.
How you see women matter. I didn't have sex until I was 25 and got into a 3yr relationship, it didn't work out due to her being damaged goods. But I've never been the type to think "it's just sex". Having partners after that didn't change how I feel at all.

whenever I say my body count I put in the number of times I was raped as a kid maybe thats what shes doing

I passed on sex because I wanted it to be with someone special and I wanted a gf, not notches.

I didn't because I was desperate to fuck basically any woman who would have me and wasn't disgusting. I regret it with half of them.

Some people married their cousins back then (which still happens), so its now suddenly okay that some other dude fucked my wife.

What a master level argument.

whenever I say my body count I put in the number of times I was raped as a kid maybe thats what shes doing

how do you manage to get raped multiple times as a child by different people without learning your lesson the first time

If you want an actual answer I was legitimately passed around the school by a group of girls and forced into sexual shit with each one when i was like 5

Open relationships are still frowned upon and heavily criticised. Oh and if you mean that your partner had sex with someone before meeting you then you're plain mentally retarded and I don't feel like taking you seriously anymore. Your partner should not be expected to stay a virgin for you this is not a fucking musical grow up

Oh and if you mean that your partner had sex with someone before meeting you then you're plain mentally retarded and I don't feel like taking you seriously anymore.

See, that's exactly what he was talking about. It's crazy to accept that. A society for cucks and whores.

If you think dating someone who has had other relationships is getting cucked you've either never been in a relationship or you're 12 years old or both

no, they're just used goods with bad decision making skills, only slightly above single moms

The only reason you think that is because such a thing doesn't arise disgust in you. But it does in me and other self-respecting men. That's why I'm calling your kind cucks.

good luck on finding your conservative tradwife which is likely to cheat on you with someone who's not as insufferable

No, you're not self-respecting you're just overly insecure about yourself and you feel humiliated when there isn't a sex slave brainless woman infront of you that you can control

nooo stupid incel you must settle for Women that rode the cock carsoel, traditional women will cheat!

I think you got it backwards buddy

You lash out, but you have nothing concrete to stand on. Accept that not everyone is a cuckold. There's no use crying about it. Oh, and keep your cuck mentality to yourself. It's very gross to see.

If you think dating someone who has had other relationships is getting cucked

Some women are super damaged and some are trying to seek out a safer bet after being wounded. And they can be very good at hiding it.
Be honest with the robots. This team women shit needs to die, it doesn't even help the women you think you're sticking up for.

Why make assumptions about me instead of tackling what's being said? You're being desperate and not very reasonable I might add. The fact that a woman you loved was fucked by other men is just repulsive. There's nothing more to it.

What faggot is making these images? Really gay pathetic shit

That's why I'm calling your kind cucks.

lol, you are literally pic-related

If you think a woman who fucked other men is acceptable to date, then I don't know what to tell you bud. I guess our brains are just wired differently. I just want to let you know that I don't use "cuck" as a pejorative, it's just what it is in essence. Emotionally speaking I don't see the difference between a woman fucking another man before dating you, and fucking another man while dating you. It's the same shit to me.

I mentally peaced out of an undefined thing with a 29yo I once respected when she told me about her "half-night stand" hoe phase, literally she'd pick up guys in clubs and send them home after railing her. I have no idea what motivated her to tell me that. This is pillow talk for women now?

Its okay that my wife had sex with another man because...

Hahaha

Monogamy is male oppression

Insecurity is when you don't want another man to fuck your wife

lol

then I don't know what to tell you bud.

If you think cumming into a kleenex for the rest of your life is better than having sex because you can't meet a girl who is as virginal as you are then I don't know what to tell you either, "bud". If a girl's virginity is that important to you, you should have gotten a girlfriend when you were in high school and married her. Plenty of virgins there. Oh wait, you weren't good enough to get a girlfriend in high school? And now you're doing this sour grapes cope where you pretend you don't want a girlfriend because none of them are pure enough for you? Sucks to be you I guess.

I don't know what to tell you

NTA but that's obvious.

you weren't good enough to get a girlfriend in high school?

You're exposing yourself as some normie devoid of empathy that cares more about social hierarchy than being a good person. Maybe fuck off and don't come back, you don't have an original thought in your head.

Maybe fuck off and don't come back

Nah, I'm here forever. Stay butthurt you sad sack

Sucks to be you for not wanting your wife to be fucked by other men.

Damn, I feel so owned.

You can't actually address anything that's being said to you as an explanation for holding such views, and you just jump to assumptions and accusations in a naive belief that discrediting a man discredits the views he presents. As far as I'm concerned, a man being fine with his wife being fucked by other men constitutes cuckoldry, and I explained to you why, and you've made no attempt to show me the clear delineating factors to argue the opposite. It's just "inkwell this, inkwell that". It's understandable why you may feel upset, perhaps because I paint you as a cuck if you're a man, or any man who would date you as one if you're a woman, but unless you're willing to actually engage in a conversation instead of posting overly-emotional tangential rants, my point stands.

more sour grapes cope

lol, okay retard

Projection on your part. I've seen enough people like you that I don't get emotional about it anymore. So, tell me I'm wrong about you. Unless, of course, I'm not.

I was thinking about this too. Like, what was considered unacceptable and slutty for our grandparents is now a virgin-tier in the 21st century. You can lament about it, or you can adapt to changing times. In this case, sleep with them, but do not marry. Do not commit to them. Only a virgin is worth lifelong commitment

Okay man. Can you leave the thread and go watch your wife have sex with another dude or do something else you enjoy just as much? All we can do is agree to disagree here. You think its okay that your wife has been fucked by other men while I wouldn't be olay with that and thats fine. No point for you to post here anymore in my humble opinion.

You can't actually address anything that's being said

Wow that's some Olympic-level projection right there buddy.

There's a reason why the middle east still has this mentality.

-ACK!

It probably bothers him and he's trying to gaslight himself into thinking he's ok with it. Imagine living your life this way. Now put kids in the picture and they're sharp enough to see through the larp that keeps the family intact. Grim

How about you leave this thread and go jerk off to your fantasy that some pure tradwife is out there waiting for you?

Way to prove my point even further. Well, I tried. Come back once you figure out how to talk to people without getting your panties in a twist.

Noo you won't get to be stuck with having sex and serving an ugly annoying scrote what will I dooo

Kek real you can't fire me I quit energy

Having partners after that didn't change how I feel at all.

Bullshit. "I wanted it to be with someone special". It becomes less special the more people you do it with;

belonging specifically to a particular person or place.

If you only have sex with 1 person it's special. If you have sex with 10, obviously it's not going to be as special. Special is inherently exclusive.

Well yeah anon. I shot my shot and missed. I'm not under any delusions about that.
What I'm saying is I will never find the kind of love I dreamed about.

So whats your stance on cheating? I mean you're already fine with your partner fucking other men, so it would be illogical to complain now.

I just don't get why he has to come to this thread. I posted a question he isn't even here to answer.
The post probably triggered him/her because he/she is either a used woman or a man who is with a used woman. The post probably hurt his feels so he is just uncontrollably ragetyping into this thread now. There is just no other logical answer to why this person is posting here if you consider that he isn't here to actually talk about the central question of the OP.

Come back once you figure out

How about you explain to the class how you're NOT like the guy in the cartoon?

Jerking off to a fantasy sounds way better than being a literal cuck. You are at least no longer arguing against you being one. lol

Hey brother just cause I think women aren't worth marrying if they aren't virgins doesn't mean I won't fuck them and then tell them to lose my number the moment my disgust for them reaches its peak. Virginity is super important when selecting for the mother of your children as your children will be HALF that person physically, emotionally, and in every sense of BEING. Do I want a half whore daughter? No thanks. But ay sometimes I do be horny so a root and boot works for me, seems to work for the girls too (mostly, some get attached and cry womp womp save it for the next dude from the bar).

If you found what you thought was the love of your life gf and she cheated on you, does that mean you are now damaged goods?

Let me ask you this: why is a bunch of men on an anonymous image board expressing their disgust at the idea of dating used-up women making you this upset? It's really none of your business. You want to be a slut, then be a slut, but don't be upset that some people wouldn't want to date you because of that.

There is just no other logical answer to why this person is posting here if you consider that he isn't here

Why is he here if he isn't here? Did your brain completely melt down?

Four guys is kind of a lot. She failed four consecutive times to be a woman worth keeping. I doubt the fifth time is the charm. She's just walking garbage at this point. Definitely not wife material.

Why is he

Why is he what? It almost feels like I didn't read your entire sentence so I'm confused about what you're trying to say.

I know that feel. Only instead of a guy who tried and missed, I couldn't get with the women I wanted and turned down the women who did want me because they fucked other dudes. I have no idea how normies can be ok with this life, and I understand even less modern relationships. People bitch about modern dating being gross shit like ONS, but the entire thing about not dating seriously, or only looking for "the one" when they are 30 pushing 40 is fucking insane to me and I never see it brought up. Like youth is a struggle with lots of shit to navigate, you also have a lot of potential and moments to bond over as you both grow and support one another, creating memories while helping eachother be the best versions of yourselves.
Instead people just opt do waste those years, and then talk about building a future when they are almost half way through life with a stable job, education done, etc. It's like talking about building a house together then people just show up after you d it alone. Not only would it be a better product had you put your resources together, but you wuld have fun memories. Also how the fuck can you be in your 30s, with a person in their 30s, and expect loyalty and eternal love, when both parties have a record of failure spanning decades with multiple partners.

TLDR; The practice of trying to marry in your 30s is fucking weird and ironically filters for people with the worst traits for long term relationships, as those who could work it out already married.

We're dumping on normie men in this thread now, not roasties. Wait your turn, slut

Jerking off to a fantasy sounds way better

So you admit you ARE literally the guy in the cartoon, jerking off bitterly while calling guys who have sex "cucks" because the woman he's having sex with isn't a virgin. lol. lmao even.

I'm really a chad and I fuck women all the time

Sure you are buddy, sure you are.

So you are calling people cucks because they are okay witht heir wives having sex with other men.

Yea.

Well said anon.
Lifelong monogamy is LIFELONG monogamy, it begins before you even meet your partner because it an ethos. It's not a tactical decision.
Some people either don't understand this or hate it and deliberately subvert it. Sorry though. I can't change who I am.

I'm a chad with autism. Going singles night at the local tomorrow with the lads, my signature move is not talking at all so I don't scare off normie girls. Turns out you don't have to say much when you're tall and handsome. Wish me luck g (my bodycount is 6 let's go for 7 yeewwww).

Point stands that the wife you are going to end up is going to be a pickme with no self respect and you also have to wait to find one who is pretty enough for you so kek you literally the trash of husband material so no woman cares about you not marrying us

That's just what the modern society demands of men. Just repress your feelings, and do everything so that women can have their cake and eat it too. And then people wonder why many men aren't happy about it.

Be a good guy, try your best. At least you can live a life with some measure of self-respect and make roasties feel regretful they misjudged you.

What do you think robots. Should we give her some love now, or are we still playing retard pinata with that other guy

self respect = sleeping with multiple men

yep foid logic

I think she's a dude my guy.

scrote

This is usually fem coded

Oh no moids are going to reply to my post which I wont read what will I ever do
Can't wait for you to find your 20 year old virgin gf while you are post wall and low sperm count I am sure they would pick you and not a fellow young rich religious virgin guy

a man in the 19th century would be getting married at a young age to someone he was already involved with at an even younger age. men are the cuck gender because they got fooled into getting "jobs" before starting a family, and then women got fooled into getting "jobs" before starting a family, and now you have men and women who are both cucks. The other day I heard a story about some retarded guy that is still a virgin in his 20s and he said he watches porn. These people don't understand.

i don't care about your opinion at all noooOOOOoooOOOoooo

diligently formats her post like a good girl

Why do women always assume, that if a guy is against dating sluts, then he must be religious? Christcucks are the first one to marry whores, because "it's le sin to judge them" and "they le repented". The ethics of not wanting to date whores have fuck all to do with Christianity.

Lmao moids are so retarded I can literally get a labiaplasty wear a sunderss and go "oh baby you so big oh I am a woman now" and you subhumans would mary me

I thought you didn't date non virgins

You want me to walk you on a leash foid?
Good girls only, sorry

Because other than retarded religious people no other virgin woman would date you

Cringe kek never getting married

So you're telling me, that female promiscuity is so prevalent and permissible in today's society, that even a woman who hasn't had sex would consider it a deal-breaker for a guy to not be okay with dating women who fucked other men? The extent of modern women's whore mentality goes even further than I previously thought.

Ain't reading alldat go find your virgin waifu I will be here trying to find my next qt bf to fuck

Wow sounds like you've solved the mystery of the space time continuum. Past and present are the same to you, so amazing. I guess birth and death are at the same moment too, right? Might as well kill yourself right now then, as it's all the same.

Come on now. You can't be this upset by my simple observation. I just didn't realize it was this bad. You'll have to excuse the fact that I'm a bit shocked to learn it.

Tricking some dumb normie you don't respect with your little fake coinslot won't make you happy. I don't need you to like me either nona. But I absolutely need you to respect me, and falling for your larp isn't it. Come back when you can talk like a grownup

What if you marry your gf and then it turns out she is terrible at sex and cannot learn?

No I just don't care tb h

Wow champ you sire showed us.

What are you talki about

My first girlfriend was a virgin until the day before her 21st birthday, which I made a point of taking before 21 because that's how old I was when I lost my virginity lmao. If I scored a girl like that once I can score a girl like that again. Granted I am much older now but I'm also more jacked and have more money.

moids are so retarded I can literally get a labiaplasty wear a sunderss and go "oh baby you so big oh I am a woman now" and you subhumans would mary me

Do you unironically have the memory of a goldfish?

We live in a liberal capitalist world now and everybody is too fucking prideful and brainwashed to ever admit that said liberal social order is making everyone miserable despite it hitting them right in the face over and over again. Nobody wants to just learn how to sacrifice and play a role and follow virtues. Religion only exists as symbolic virtue signaling for Westerners at this point, even so called Conservatives are massive degenerates and hypocrites themselves. You live in a society with no honor and only hedonism, and when you tell people their hedonism is making them unhappy they go on a tirade about how you're an archaic nazi. At this point I can barely bring myself to care, they're too fucking stupid to live, Western societies will get what they deserve at the hands of the traditionalist third-world people who are conquering them.

You're a really fucked up person.

Imagine wanting to deprive your wife of happiness in life. Say you meet your wife at 28. You're really so selfish that you want her to be a virgin instead of having a boyfriend or two in her youth? And what for? Did it ever occur to you that she's a person with her own life? Did it ever occur to you that maybe she wants a life full of growth and happy memories and not all of them will be concerning you?

Is it really Sox terrible that your wife might have a relationship with a dude before she met you? Is it so terrible that she might have some happy memories that have nothing to do with you?

You don't seem to think of your wife as an actual individual with her own life. You seem to think of her as a prop in your life. That's insanely selfish and fucked up. Your ego is out of control.

low sperm count

Ah yes the classic feminist spin where they try to turn around a REAL FEMALE WALL to a their fantasy one.

The clock is ticking, little foid.

(me)
Conversations this bad are why I have to simp for Beanie. At least I don't feel like I'm picking on a iPad toddler

Obviously you will not you are too old
No you just stupid

You must have lucked out because all of my experiences with virgin women have been awful

everyvody is so fucking prideful

men are literally okay with their wives having been fucked by other men

This doesn't add up. Men have no pride anymore.

VERY insightful post anon.
A relationship is a moral whole larger than both individuals within it. That's something people struggle to conceptualize.

Past and present are the same to you, so amazing.

So if a woman cheated on her boyfriend in the past, and is not currently in the process of fucking another guy, then suddenly that would be okay? Don't be silly. Obviously the moment in which a man learns about his girlfriend/wife fucking other men is done from the perspective of it happening in the past, for both him being in a relationship with her at the time of her doing it and not. And that's why I draw the analogy. I just don't see the emotional difference.

Okay then go watch your wife have sex with other men then and fuck off from this thread already.

just be horny for multiple decades on end but never fuck, that's amoral

also don't marry and start families until you're like 35, the workforce needs you

also we're just not gonna pay you enough to have one, unless you have like 5 with no means of raising them, in which case we're gonna bill your childless waitress

also, leave your hometowns and go into debt en-masse, you have to sow your wild oats

BUT DON'T FUCK

but here'a a bunch of super-horny media and the perpetual, unspoken implication that fucking is the carrot on the end of the string

BUT NO FUCKING

also you're a social reject if you goon instead

here's a bunch of goonerbait, by the way

no no, you can't get married at 19 and pop out 5 kids, that's trashy/being a breeding sow/medieval/from the 1920's/not living up to your potential

don't fuck anybody you meet in school or work, those are bad power dynamics

don't fuck your childhood friend, that's ruining the friendship/tying yourself down to your hometown

don't pair off and reproduce until you're like 40, you're going to change and grow so much as people anyway, what will you even have in common

here's a bunch of hormones and microplastics so you hit puberty like a decade early, btw

just freeze your eggs, that'll probably work

here's yet another TED talk about how there are too fucking many of you people and we need fewer

oh fuck what happened to the birthrate

just start an onlyfans, bro's insecure if he's not cool with it

I'm starting to think it's not even intended to work.

I'm not depriving her of anything. I simply wouldn't date her. We're not compatible. She can go and date a man who's fine with her fucking other guys.

Their prideful in their ideology and worldview because they're brainwashed. Actual self-esteem and personal pride has never been lower.

Obviously we're projecting all sorts of ethical relationship values on this mythical virgins (loyalty, faithfulness, caring, respect) that go a lot further than the mere physical act of sex. Come on anon, try to keep up

Here's the thing, I'm not going to marry a girl who is 28. Everyone is entitled to live their lives sure, including me, so I have the capacity to make my own choices like these older ran through girls right? Well my choice is to date young hot girls with lower bodycounts. If I am to get married it will be with a girl who hasn't lived some retarded whore lifestyle and instead will have those pleasant experiences with me. Don't hate the player.

You're expecting her to be faithful to a future husband she hasn't even met. This is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.

No you just stupid

Go play on mommy's ipad, and get off my boomer 2003 Polynesian art appreciation imageboard

I actually have a wife. You never will.

I had sex with two males anybody want to marry me owo?

Oh no, what a loss for women.

I literally made the point that I can easily lie about virginity and you could not get it

You're right that there are tons of contradictions, I don't see many people talk about it.

Future anxiety. We need to stop listening to social narratives, it's completely dysfunctional and we all know it.

Good luck with that oregano

YOU don't get it. You are not going to be able to lie to any man who knows anything about women. And you won't respect one who you can fool. You think you can hold yourself in a relationship with a man you don't respect, long-term? Nothing signals relationship death more than contempt.

I'm not expecting anybody to do anything. I'm just simply telling you, that emotionally speaking, I view the woman I'm dating having fucked other guys as the same regardless of whether she was dating me at the time or not. I'm a hardcore lib. You want to fuck other guys, be my guest. But by the same token you're not entitled to the prospect of dating someone like me. Liberalism goes both ways, and I'm not depriving you of anything by not choosing to date you.

Idk about that one chief I was dating a 23 year old girl over Christmas and dumped her like 3 months ago. Why'd I end it? She broke up with her highschool sweetheart (5 year relationship btw) a month before we met and was clearly just rebounding into me. She wanted to go on a Euro trip and I knew then it was all over. Alas, I will keep using my local watering hole like a GACHA game, spinning until I hit my SSR virgin waifu. I will keep rerolling as many times as it takes. This is the power of autism.

man in the 19th century would have never courted a woman with a body count over zero

Even kings did. lmao
You uneducated incel.

So you agree, that I'm not depriving her of anything, by simply having dating preferences?

Yeah I know, all of it was awful.

Not virgin so don't count
I would not do it for the reasons you mentioned but I am pointing out that once you hit your thirties as a men the only virgin women who will try dating you is ones who lie about their virginity to take your money

I ruined the 10 potential wives of 10 different men and I don't care

That's what you did. Kill yourself.

what is a watering hole

You don't get it. You're demanding that your wife only have memories of a relationship with you. That's a weird thing to demand. If you actually cared about a person on a spiritual level, it's a weird thing to demand of them. It's a weird thing to want for them. It's a weird thing to prioritize.

Again, you don't seem capable of even comprehending that she has her own life and you want to limit it because of your own insecurities.

So why are you busting my balls if you agree with me nona. Come on. I wouldn't really walk you on a leash unless it made you happy. I'm not some kind a monster

I wouldn't say I lucked out, she was a bit of a shut in weirdo and I was a bit of a shut in weirdo too so we meshed well. In hindsight however the sex was not great. Good because we were 'in love' but on a technical level compared to what I do with girls these days, bad.

Most of them pursued me, I'm not going to say no on principle. Pretty sure I wasn't their first for all except 2 as well.

I know this board is a collection of broken people, but fuck that's cruel.
Virtual hugs for you anon.

she wouldn't be my wife at that point, she would just be an acquaintance, simply due to the fact we are incompatible

I don't care about her having memories with other people. That's not the thing that makes me feel grossed out. It's the fact she fucked other guys. Even if the memories of past relationships came packaged with that, they have nothing to do with my preferences. So a statement like:

You're demanding that your wife only have memories of a relationship with you.

Is simply inaccurate, as I'm not demanding that. And again, me not wanting to date someone because I find an aspect of them gross isn't me demanding something of them. That's just me making a use of my own freedoms. If I'm not compatible with someone, then so be it.

On top of it you ruined 2 virgins. You really need to hang. Whores will be whores. It's weak willed/no morals men like you that ruin it for the rest of us.

Thanks, luck is apart of the game, I go again.

You are demanding it. If you succeed, then your wife will only know what it's like to be with you. She only gets one life, and then she does and never exists again. And in her one short life she gets before oblivion, she'll only have one serious boyfriend, all because you get the sads when you think about her with another dude.

You haven't thought about this with any depth.

A man in the 19th century would have never courted a woman with a body count over zero.

ancient fucking Greece

entire Peloponnesian war gets kicked off over who gets to stick their cock in Helen of Troy who's like twelve, if that

the fucking geopolitics of Ilia and multiple island nation-states go up in fucking flames over this

so many men kill each other over her pussy (which can only be legendary through word of mouth at this era in history) AFTER it's been smashed that the war gets mythologized and people make sure to write down the specific kills people got in gory detail

by the time Hector's body is just dragged through the streets of Troy via chariot there'a been at least like 4 people who have "claimed" her as their own and she's popped out a child and she even spends part of the Iliad (a story that precedes fucking writing) lamenting that she's a slut (no, that's the word she even uses in the actual translations from Hellenic Greek, look it up)

people are STILL willing to butcher entire scores of men and fling infants from city walls over a woman who has canonically been ran-through since she first popped out a cunt hair

the smash-hit sequel to this story ends with a middle-aged Odysseus killing the living shit out of a bunch of dudes who want to fuck his wife

Simpage is as old as fucking time Anon

The local bar/nightclub. Like in nature how animals naturally gravitate to a body of water to drink i.e. a watering hole, girls gravitate to bars looking for chads to drink.

Yer well I ain't marrying her am I. Maybe the next girl will be a virgin, maybe she won't. I'll come back in 2 days and let ya'll know.

Why do memories made with me not count as the good memories lmao. I think my wife should have a good life with good memories, WITH ME, YOU IDIOT.

SeeOriginally as original as originally can be

Why must she be limited to only memories of you? Why are you so insecure that you can't allow her to have a life before meeting you? Are you afraid you won't compare to other men?

Absolute legend.
You, and it

You are demanding it. If you succeed, then your wife will only know what it's like to be with you.

Unless we break up. And that's true for any woman first time dating, regardless of whether she dates me or someone else. Unless she explicitly gets into relationships with the intention of them falling apart. So I don't see it. She's unhappy with me, she can go date someone else, and I'll go date another girl who wasn't fucked by other guys, as I find that extremely gross. I find it funny, how you can use the same argument you presented against monogamy period, lol.

Ok this one is the biggest bait yet. Evidently you don't have many friends who dated in highschool and then stayed together. I have several, they have the best relationships out of all my friends. Even better than my most giga chad friends. They're all still together and married and have started families or are planning to.

Are you afraid you won't compare to other men?

NTA, but clearly. You must be denser than a black hole

Good for them and there's nothing wrong with that. There's a difference between that happening by chance vs that happening because you need it to.

A secure man wouldn't worry about his wife having a boyfriend before him. She dumped the boyfriend and is now married to him. Obviously she prefers him. Only an insecure man would worry about this shit.

Sounds like you're a beta fag who can't compete with other men. Oh well. Sucks to be such a beta.

Basically this.

This is the society we live in, now, for better or worse.

Might as well have some fun with it, even if the current relationship dynamics totally crater our civilization. Being "principled" never gets you anywhere, see the cuckservatives for a prominent example. They simply get taken advantage of.

A secure man wouldn't worry about his wife having a boyfriend before him

A secure man also wouldn't be guilted or shamed into changing his true values by social pressure. Hint hint.

Is that why you'd let your wife fuck other guys? To prove how much of an alpha you are? Kek.

I get the bait but it's not really effective on me senpai, I'm not an incel I'm a schizo chad autist. It is evident to me that I'm a top 1% man and it's pretty evident to those around me too. My exes all told me I was a narcissist but that didn't stop them from glazing my genitals did it.

You are TRIPPING. I'm secure enough in my OWN (as in, not yours you cuck) feelings that I KNOW that some random girl I met when she's 29 who had 3 boyfriends and 2 situationships before me is not someone I am going to drop on one knee for and beg to suck me off for 20 years. I don't have to worry about any of this shit because I won't be married to that girl lmao. Get a GRIP. If I never get married that's FINE TOO. I'm crashing out.

i don't see life experience as a negative quality. I don't see virginity as a positive quality. A huge body count is a red flag, but a normal body count is fine. There are so many things that I value that are very important in a mate. I can't imagine sperging over body count. I can't imagine caring or getting upset that my wife fucked her boyfriend ten years ago before we met. It's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Legitimately.

Again, alien, I'm human and I exist in linear spacetime. Go learn what time is before you talk to humans.

Would you be fine with your wife having sex with another man?

The fact that you prioritize this so highly just shows you're an insecure beta who can't stand the thought of competing with other men. I pity you.

Different strokes for different folks anons.
Let's start taking that more literally

Ok that's fair if that's how you feel. Let's say you like tomatoes. I don't like tomatoes. They disgust me. The texture is gross in my mouth when I eat them and I'd rather not eat them. You could argue that's due to autism or whatever, but it doesn't matter, because I feel and experience visceral disgust when I eat tomatoes. Tomatoes are disgusting. If you like tomatoes that's cool bro I won't stop you eat a whole bush of tomatoes but I'm good. Tomato sauce however, (since you're a retard this part of the analogy is meant to represent a virgin woman) count me in. You wanna argue the morality, social ethics, nutrition or religious implications of whether liking a fucking tomato is a good thing or not? No, you stay in your fucking tomato loving lane and I'll stay in my tomato sauce loving lane. Faggot.

Whether your wife fucked other guys while she was in a relationship with you or not, it's still the case that both of those events occurred in the past. And as I said, I just don't see the emotional difference between them. And your reasoning of "well, you're just not alpha enough to handle your wife fucking other guys" can be used to justify any form of "adultery", so I just don't find it compelling.

Brother you're trying to insult a dude who has had multiple friends ask me to cuck them. You talk about insecure betas and you think that of me? I am the other men. I am the one who cucks.

My wife had sex with men before she met me. It doesn't bother me at all. She adores and worships me and I can't even imagine her cheating on me because she's so smitten by me. Obviously, though, if she cheated, it would be a problem. Then again, monogamy is a social construct so I'm not going to pretend it's sacred. It's something we do for practical reasons. I'm not a Christfag so I don't see it as divine order.

You're lying. You don't see this as preference. You see it as normative hierarchy. You absolutely attribute value and judgement here.

Why would it be a problem if she were to cheat on you now? Betrayal of trust?

Not murdering each other when we get homicidal urges is also a social construct, cuck. Doesn't mean it isn't pivotal to society.

Because we're human and she's obviously going to be attracted to some men on this planet in her lifetime who aren't me. All marriage is is a promise. What matters is keeping your promise.

If you think your wife will never have a sexual thought about another man you're beyond retarded.

If your relationship with your wife is rock solid good for you man, be sure to check in with us again in 10 years when it's still going strong. There are many other species of animal that practice monogamy you fucking monkey, pair bonding isn't a social construct it's neuroscience. Marriage is a construct sure, but it's based on pretty primal neurology.

Because it would complicate out marriage. I don't get jealous or give a fuck about her having sex in the past. I'd be poly if I thought it would work. I'm monogamous because I think it's the only stable long term relationship. That's all. Polyamory never works.

Marriage is the bedrock of society. Virginity isn't.

Can you explain how it would "complicate your marriage?" I don't know what you mean by polyamory "never works," either. What are (you) actually looking for in a relationship that works, and how would infidelity or promiscuity compromise that?

No animal practices actual monogamy the way you think of it. They all have extra pair relations. The animals that pair bond aren't strictly monogamous. But there's no point in arguing with you because you'd know this if you read a book in your life. You want to believe what you want to believe and pride yourself in your ignorance.

You're putting the cart before the horse. The feeling of disgust when I'm talking to a girl I'm dating and she starts yapping about her 'hoe phase' is real and comes first. THEN comes the attributing of value and judgement. If you took more than 5 seconds to unpack my analogy you can see that the attribution doesn't matter, it is simply the intrinsic feeling of disgust that guides my decision making when it comes to women. I could justify that perhaps my disliking of tomatoes was a construct, or an incorrect valuation or that I could judge that it's bad or wrong to not eat tomatoes. None of that shit matters. I don't like tomatoes, I don't eat tomatoes.

It's really simple. Catching feelings for someone else will fuck up your marriage. If you fuck someone, you're likely to catch feelings for them it's really that simple.

Oh right, that's why your wife didn't wear a white dress in your nupcial ceremony. Because virginity has nothing to do with it.

If I was on a date and some girl started bragging about being a hoe, I'd get up and walk. You're making a retarded strawman.

I have absolutely no idea what you mean. So it isn't even a matter of betrayal, you would be fine with your wife having sex with another man if it were somehow purely physical?? This is why I keep asking you to clarify. "Catching feelings" is the issue?

You are cattle on a human farm and they legit want to make it difficult to make more people so they don't have to cull so many

I'm Japanese and so is my wife. We're Buddhist not christian and she didn't wear a white dress. I don't care about your Christian bullshit.

Brother I have a degree in biomedical science I've read enough fucking neuroscience papers to write a book, most bird species practice monogamy exactly how you think. Yes obviously there are systems in place in the brain so that if your partner dies you can reform that pair bond with another. But most humans aren't dropping dead when their SO leaves. I pride myself on being very smart, very strong and very good looking, if you met me in real life you would be mogged into oblivion. There's no point in you arguing with me because you argue like every other pseudo intellectual nerd who would FOLD in person when pressed over anything.

If my wife could have purely physical sex with no feelings in such a way that would be guaranteed to not negatively impact our marriage is a meaningless hypothetical.

The closest scenario I can imagine being like that is of she went and got a professional massage on a vacation and the dude ribbed her clit to an orgasm but she never saw him again. Honestly something like that wouldn't bother me, no. But she'd never do that.

It's not a strawman it is my lived experience dating women. Something you clearly have no experience with.

Not a single bird species practices perfect monogamy for life. They all have relations with individuals outside of the pair, or their pair bond lasts only one season. You're lying. Anyone who's studied this knows this.

But if it were possible would you be fine with it?

You retard. I know it happens. The strawman is you pretending that's what we're talking about. I never said you should date such a woman. You don't even know what strawman means .

Because we're human and she's obviously going to be attracted to some men on this planet in her lifetime who aren't me.

Is being "attracted to" the same as "fucking"? No it's not.

All marriage is is a promise. What matters is keeping your promise.

I'm not convinced people actually believe it, when they claim they're upset about cheating simply because the other person betrayed their trust. When I go out and ask my wife to do the laundry, and she agrees but doesn't do it, then she betrayed my trust as well. But people don't get bent out of shape over things like that. They don't get traumatized, have to spend time in therapy, or immediately end the relationship then and there. No. There's something strong about that sexual component. That the other person I love fucked someone else. And I believe that's not a coincidence. I think it goes beyond just the fact that it happened while your loved one was in a relationship with you at the time.

If you think your wife will never have a sexual thought about another man you're beyond retarded.

She's allowed to have whatever thoughts she wants. I just don't want her to fuck other men. I don't see how the two are supposed to be equivalent.

Meaningless hypotheticals are retarded. I already told you no.

If she fucks other men before she knows you exist then your wife didn't fuck other men... Because she wasn't your wife. Get it?

We're talking about marrying a virgin or a non virgin? My example is about how I find non-virgin women disgusting. How is that a strawman please explain.

I don't think it's meaningless at all, it's absolutely relevant to the discussion as far as why some people have a problem with infidelity/promiscuity. Thanks for the answer though. Seems like kind of a cuckold stance

There's a difference between a girl bragging about being a slut and simply having a relationship before she met you. You're not arguing in good faith.

I studied human neuroscience and am well read on many monkeys as well. Are you some kind of bird scientist? No? Because I just did 10 seconds of reading and found a place with 50 years of research backing swans as strictly monogamous unless their mate dies or they're separated or raped. Funny that. It's also hilarious to argue that animals don't form monogamous pairing when HUMANS LITERALLY DO IT TOO THATS CRAZY.

I fail to see how that's relevant. She still fucked other men in the past. Regardless of whether she was in a relationship with you at the time or not. And people still get bent out of shape over the cheating kind of trust violation over all the other ones. Plus if your wife got fucked up on drugs or alcohol and fucked some other barely-conscious guy while she herself was barely-conscious, you could argue she wasn't aware of your existence in that state, but she still cheated on you. So I don't see the awareness of your existence as a factor that suddenly makes it okay.

Brother, once again I can tell you have no experience dating women, every single one of them, without fail, WILL TELL YOU about their past relationships. Be it 1 or 100, they will let you know eventually. The feeling of disgust is the same regardless. Hearing about Tiffany getting railed by the football team, and hearing about Tinas highschool sweetheart, elicits the exact same feeling within me.

I don't have a problem with my wife having sexual experiences that weren't with me, no. If she fucks a man now, it would be a problem for many reasons. It would be a problem because it doesn't conform to our standard monogamous marriage.

Let me flip this around. I'm a Chad. Literally. I e fucked triple digit numbers and women throw themselves at me. I've been tempted to cheat on my wife many times. I've fantasized about it. I know I could fuck another woman and still love my wife. I know that my wanting to stick my dick in another vagina doesn't mean I love my wife less.

I haven't cheated, though, because i know it would fuck everything up. I simply give up the ability to fuck other vaginas in exchange for having an amazing marriage and it's a great trade off.

Swans cheat on their partners. Everyone knows this. You're being ridiculous.

This goes beyond monogamy. You're relationship requirements are that a woman is ignorant. I find that dumb. I Also find this conversation dumb. Nothing left to say.

Sorry you meet shit women. I have more dating experience than you, though it's from along time ago as I'm old and married. Find better women.

Let me flip this around

Stupid analogy anon.
In this case, say it's still chad, but he doesn't want triple-digit sex partners, he wants lifelong exclusivity. What's wrong with that?

Its not cool as a dude to be gay but women think its cool to make their whole outfit draw attention to their buttcheeks and seems like more of lesbian behaviour than an honorable wife.

People in the medieval Era fucked like rabbits
There was this stigma where marrying a prostitute and purifying her would make you sinless for heaven too
Anyway the takeaway is that I still don't like whores

It's not an analogy you retard. I just described my life. I just described why cheating is a problem.

sad little cuckold

See, it's because the point you're trying to argue isn't really defensible once you try to break it down. And once you realize it, you'll see just how absolutely cucked our society is. If all you "well my wife fucking other guys before marrying me is okay, actually" type guys were also okay with them fucking other men now, then at least it would be understandable to me. But nooo. If she fucks another guy shortly after getting into a relationship with you, and it happened looong ago, then suddenly it's fucked up. Because it's "trust violation". But her not doing the laundry after you ask her to is also a "trust violation", but that one is okay apparently. The least you could do is being consistent in your cuckoldry.

99% of our existence on this earth was as hunter gathererz and back then we fucked around in gang bangs and men didn't even know who their children were.

Monogamy and marriage is a social construct so that men can build generational wealth. You're running along with a cultural construction and assigning it some divine meaning that doesn't exist. It's like taking a religion seriously.

The problem is that you want a virgin and that's just not something you're going to get in 2025.

Idk man, it's such a weird problem to make for yourself.

99% of our existence on this earth was as hunter gathererz and back then we fucked around in gang bangs and men didn't even know who their children were.

Those times didn't really bring about great prosperity or society. But monogamy came about with those things. So from the utilitarian perspective you could argue that those defective "cuck" genes got bread out, since the cucks raised kids that weren't theirs, and didn't propagate their genes.

Monogamy and marriage is a social construct so that men can build generational wealth.

I don't think it's that deep. I think that cheating simply makes people feel upset, and the rest is downstream from it. And I think that's valid. In the same way that I think being upset about being killed makes sense from the evolutionary perspective.

You're running along with a cultural construction and assigning it some divine meaning that doesn't exist. It's like taking a religion seriously.

I make no references to any divine. I don't buy into such ideas. I just name things for what they are, and I find it baffling how much obfuscation people are capable of, just to avoid admitting that they're inconsistent.

The problem is that you want a virgin and that's just not something you're going to get in 2025.

Even if it were true, I don't think the availability of something determines it's reasonableness from the ethical point of view. If someone locked you in a rape dungeon where you get raped constantly, I think it would still be reasonable for you to not want to have it done to you, even if it's not something that's realistic.

So I should keep looking for a virgin girl to marry rather than the shit women I've dated? Right on we agree. I'm pretty sure you're larping because you have no fucking clue about modern dating and why so many have problem with it. But in case you're not, I hope your wife sticks it out with you and doesn't dip in 5 years old timer.

99% of our existence on this earth was as hunter gathererz and back then we fucked around in gang bangs and men didn't even know who their children were.

why are you holding up literally promotive social orders as something that's to be emulated?

we moved away from that for a reason, this is such a retarded thing to mention

Dude, the modern concept of monogamy is barely a century old. Before that, every man had mistresses. You are extremely ignorant and need to do a lot of reading.

Damn bro you're talking like you were fucking there. How the fuck do you know what primordial man was doing? It's more than likely that, like right now, there were varying people and some went the monogamous route and others didn't. Fundamentally all our brains are wired to stick it out together to fully raise our offspring that take fucking years to mature. The real social construct is that either option is false when both exist in nature. Some dudes (you) are cucks and that's cool man, wouldn't let that shit happen to me though. Just as my ancestors probably didn't either, maybe some did? I wasn't there so who knows.

How fucking sad and pathetic are you to accuse me of larping because I did something that almost every man I. History has done? I'm so tired of this shit. Yes, I fucked hot women on my life. Yes, I'm married. No, this isn't something worth bragging about because it just means I'm a normal average man. Get your shit together if you think that's something to brag about. Absolutely pathetic.

Try reading the entire post before replying to it, nigger.

We know. If you read books you'd know too. That's okay though. Don't read, I don't care.

Get out normie. REEEEEEEEEE
But seriously do go away lol. Put up some shelves or something

Where do you think you are big dog? The 'normal average man' who is 40 years old and married shitposting on Anon Babble, bit hard to believe chief. I think it's the person who's larping who is sad and pathetic but whatever cope you want.

it's a social construct because it's the only thing that works, retard-kun

the hunter-gatherer bullshit made no sense in any context, it was just a dumb thing to include because senseless hedonism results in the level of society we had as hunter-gatherers, obviously... you fucking retard.

Read the bible bookworm. Nothing new under the sun, as are you mundane and repetitive.

Dude, the modern concept of monogamy is barely a century old.

If you mean the whole "it's fine for my wife to not be a virgin on her wedding night" cuck thing, then sure, but before that virginity was something that was expected, among other things because women simply didn't have many effective contraceptive methods. But that's the case in Europe, maybe you grew up in Africa or something, and things were different there. So no, monogamy isn't "a century old", it has existed for thousands of years, and formed the backbone of civilization. Just because some people cheated doesn't mean that it wasn't the cultural norm. Men might be biologically predisposed to want to fuck many women, but it was something heavily frowned upon and had to be kept in the shadows.

4chans been around since the early 2000s and I've been here since 2008. Gtfo cancer.

Yeah I keep coming back because you make me feel like such a hero for fucking existing.

What? It's our evolutionary history, you idiot. We are literally evolved to exist in that environment. Civilization is new and has almost no evolutionary impact on us.

I've read it. The old testament is hilarious and entertaining and the new testament is boring and retarded.

Pretty shitty read overall.

Holy fuck you're retarded. No one expected a man to only have sex with his wife. Wow you really know nothing. Where the fuck did you get that idea? It's literally the opposite of fact. Who taught you that?

How does someone miss the point of my post this hard? I guess someone who does the >muh ancestors bullshit.

Fuck you're stupid.

Do you not know how much influence the church had? How little there was in terms of technology to get away with things like consequence-free casual sex? How fucking miserable and often short life was for many people in times of famine, war, and plagues? Whatever conception of history you have is wholly divorced from reality.

Ok boomer.
Go mow your lawn

You agreed with me. Monogamy is for economic growth.

Why are you talking about medieval Europe as of it represents all of human history? Also, why do you think European peasants in the middle ages actually followed the rules? Have you never read a book in your life or watched a single documentary?

A 40 year old is a millennial. God you're retarded. Boomers are mostly in their 60s. You probably have no idea what the term means.

Why are you talking about medieval Europe as of it represents all of human history?

It was even worse before the medieval period, are you kidding me? Perhaps the plague part wasn't as present when the cities were smaller, but medicine was shit until the enlightenment period. And again, just because there were people who broke the rules doesn't mean that those rules weren't the norm. What, you think despite monogamy being in the religious doctrine peasants were like "fuck that" and had massive orgies after which they raised kids that weren't theirs? You're an actual moron.

Sexual Marxism fixes this

The Romans famously fucked around, even the women. It's documented. How do you not know this?

Americans were openly talking about fucking their mistresses up until barely over a century ago. It's in letters. Again. It's documented. You've clearly never actually looked into this at all. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

For all of civilization, it was normal for a man to fuck around with other women. It's astounding that you don't know this.

European medieval peasants were also famously slutty. It's insane that you talk about this while having zero education on the matter.

Yes, all those illiterate peasants wrote all those letters where they talked about how much poon they were slaying to their wives, you fucking moron. Wait, let me fix my rhetoric: how do you not know this? It's absolutely astounding to me. My jaw literally dropped to the floor when I saw just how ignorant you are. I am beyond baffled. This is truly something for the ages. One of the most retarded things that have ever been uttered in the entire history of mankind. Oh, the humanity!

Are you actually arguing the Romans weren't promiscuous? For real? Are you arguing they had a view of marriage and monogamy comparable to modern day?

More like you did it to feel morally superior you still literally got in bed with them and did other shit. Male morality is so retarded

We may talk about Romans, but we started with peasants actually having orgies and raising kids that weren't theirs, so let's finish that up first. Unless you just concede that it was retarded, so we can move on. I'm absolutely baffled with just how incapable you are of following the basic train of the conversation. It's just something that I don't see every day, it's just so brain-dead. Are you sure you're actually capable of having this conversation? Because I don't want to be mean, but the things you've been saying have been perhaps the stupidest ones that have ever been posted on the internet. I shake my fists at the sky at whatever powers have allowed someone this retarded to exist. I tear my shirt in agony at the true depths of despair the humanity has fallen to.

I never claimed European peasants had orgies and raised kids that weren't theirs. If you can't read, there's no point in discussing anything with you. I'm bored. I'm going to leave now. You should learn how to read.

That's a good start, next try to actually understand what the fuck you're reading rather that pretending it's a Harry Potter book or someshit and blitzing through it.

Only hero you're gonna be is an hero when your fake wife fake divorces you.

Lurk for 2 more years, newfag

NTA but I love how you say this and cannot bring up a single book or paper to support anything you say. A retard desperately trying to save face.

Than what was all that trying to dispute monogamous norms of medieval Europe by pointing to some examples of people being unfaithful? Do you therefore concede that it was actually tangential and not relevant to bring it up? If you had even a single shred of good faith intentions regarding this conversation, surely you would be able to admit getting that wrong, when it's this blatantly obvious, no? It truly would be something to try to obfuscate and sidestep the actual points that were made, because you realized just how indefensible they were, so you chose to pivot instead. I must say this, and I don't say this often, I am baffled. I rub my eyes, but I still can't believe what I'm seeing before me. I curse whatever powers manifested themselves in the sheer extent of your ignorance. I pound my chest and shake my head in disappointment, asking myself: why? What did humanity do to deserve such a display of retardation? Today is the day that the world got darker. Today we have collectively fallen as a species.

what's the aesthetic of the woman in that pic called?

If you had even a single shred of good faith intentions regarding this conversation,

I don't think he did bro. When someone's posts devolve into relentlessly attacking your intelligence it's a pretty clear sign they're out of their depth.

Hijab-core. You just reminded me I saw an Arab girl today with a headscarf but her clothing was so skintight I could see her thong on her fat Arab ass. And she's gonna get an arranged marriage to some hairy fat fuck. The world is cruel.

describe what sex feels like, you mental case. Tell what's so good about it that i'm missing out on.

Anyone who's girlfriend even kissed another man is a turbo cuck. It's disgusting.

Let me put it in this way: i didn't fuck my girlfriend ten years ago because i didn't have one. It's just not fair having them think they're doing me a favor since no one else would have me.

I don't see virginity as a positive quality

You said it yourself, and i suspect you're a woman larping as a man just to not get dismissed and told off. So you'd know how dealing with virgins suck either by first hand or second hand. You'd be doing them a favor since you don't get much out of dating someone lacking so much experience compared to you. But i don't wanna admit people are better than me just because of animal instincts so i'll keep giving you shit about sleeping around.

Holy ESL. Can anyone write in English anymore? What the fuck are you even trying to say, nigga?

What the fuck are you even trying to say

Virgins can't get along with sluts, and vice versa.
There's really no point in both of them getting together.

Post with the lowest amount of testosterone on the entire site. As if men were also virgins haha, no one is a virgin nowadays

A minority still is. In fact I think there are more of them around at older ages nowadays then in the past, even if it's still just a small minority that decreases sharply with age, before plateauing at a single-digit percentage of the population.

honestly believes using male talking points against men works

lol, lmao even.

I didn't get any of what you described before meeting someone, so neither should her.
It's your ego that's out of control for expecting me to be okay with that nonsense.

Waaah waaah I'm a loser so everyone else needs to be as well waaah waaaaaaah

Waaah waaah l'm a loser so everyone else needs to be as well waaah waaaaaaah

everyone can learn

and cannot learn

How come? She's paralyzed or something?

I'm almost 40. 4 guys might as well be virginal.

If I just been born 100 years ago....

You would be even worse off because there were places useless men could be sent to get rid of them

Sluts just supply boring mediocre sex to lots of men and are damaged from all the pump and dumps, promiscuity is a two way street, she may be comparing me to the guy with the 9 inch cock but I'm also comparing her to the woman that couldn't keep my dick out of her mouth and swallowed every time.

how many women have you fucked for you to talk like this?