Give women options

give women options

they decide to self-terminate

low-key based

natural selection is taking place, only the least degenerate subsections of the population are still raising families, they seem pretty happy too

Kek no they aren't, the only ones preproducing are dark triad criminal assholes and betabuxx cucks

corporations start advertising universities to children

corporations push an extreme version of feminism where working isnt just an option but is obligatory for success

all so they can extract as much income from people as humanly possible

surprised pikachu when imposing debt slavery through propaganda that people without money or hope for the future dont have kids

IT'S DA CORPORATIONS

MUH MODERATE FEMINISM

AHHHAHAHAHAHAH
fulfill your genetic destiny and die you lesbian cunt

This. People want to have more kids, but can't afford them.

Why would you want to have more kids in such a shitty world

give women freedom

they choose to be ontologically evil

really makes one think

That's not what did them in, all that shit existed in several ways and worse was always a thing. Back in the 1800s women live and died in factories and they had 5+ kids, in the 1930s they were living in squats starving and dying at 30 and they still had 5+ kids.

The X factor that changed everything was the best form of birth control being made: the Oral contraceptive pill. That clanged everything as no longer were things left to risk of pull out or the ever unpopular condom, now a woman takes a bite sized item everyday and she will never have consequences of sex. That's it, it's the whole reason feminism finally took off after 500 years of women fighting for rights was that they were creating generations of women that didn't get knocked up young and forced to wise up from that. Your whole world was made by a single pill being allowed on the market.

Income is at an all-time low (Even lower than during the great depression when adjusted for inflation)

Information is far more wide-spred, meaning it is far easier to educate yourself about how fucking hard it is to raise a kid

Laws are becoming more and more common that make it harder to deal with pregnancy complications, which scares women.

A consumerist society focused only on short-term gains has defunded public education and failed to build better public infrastructure necessary to ease any of these problems

A materialistic culture has changed the boomer-era focus of family into an isolationist "I want this" focus

More and more public spaces are shutting down, which isolates people even more and limits their ability to meet and mingle with others.

Culture wars have divided everyone but the most wealthy, who propagated those wars in the first place for short-term gains.

I had a vasectomy at the age of 20. I ain't bringing a kid into this shit.

Funny enough that's what cased the labor riots of the 1890s was all these young men started families and had kids, these men were living in horrid conditions of 8 or more men packed in barns and working dawn till dusk with one meal a day at best, when they started getting women pregnant and they began having sons and daughters they started fighting back aggressively leading to the anarchy riots of the 1900s. Many robber barons were trying to figure out why it kept happening and the answer was always "they started a family of their own" so from about 1920 there were efforts to either abolish the idea of anything being your family outside of the job/state, or finding better ways of preventing births which lead to the millions of dollars poured into research that became the birth control pill 50 years later.

It's also all your creature comforts of the last 50+ years were made to keep you submissive too.

I talk to my professor a few months back about the late 1800 riots and how all the conditions of that were about the same as today's yet there is no clear revolt today. Is having children really that powerful?

The thing is, you're just not worthy of heroes or saviors. You don't deserve to be happy and you're not entitled to an easy life. This is how it's going to be, from here on out.

That's how reproduction works across nearly all species. People are not fat because the food is poison, people are fat because we have conquered the need to hunt and prep all our food, we can just be given to all of us like a pet in a cage however we have no master controlling how much we consume so many over eat as we were never developed to live in worlds of such abundance. Same with families, most didn't really chose their partner so much as they slept with someone and that was the person they got tied down too and it was just the families that help the couple and kid(s), now we have created the tools that men and women both can just stay single and child free forever if they please, this is also not getting into the weeds of how oops babies pressured men and women to settle as more and more of their friends and relatives were starting families which prompt them to hook up with what was left as opposed to waiting out for the "best"

1820~40- modern condom was created
1850 - said condoms were made more available
1914 - most prostitution was outlawed in the west
1916 - planned parent hood and other programs started in first world countries
1934 - abortion became legal in parts of all 1st world countries
1950 - the pill was created
1971 - the pill is now available to all
1975 - abortions were legal across the board
1983 - safe sex programs become funded by several counties
1995 - 97% of all 1st world citizens have had safe sex classes and over half of all western women are on some sort of contraceptive

turns out if you let people pick when to have a baby most say "never"

life has been getting shittier for over half a century now.

Holy delusional cope

crude birth rate? is that some kind of pain you are just naturally familiar with?

Yet, the Earth keeps spinning.

Funny how it has zero effect on the planet's action of existing.

It's more of accepting that the data we have is imperfect, until 1930s people were not easily recorded of existing so there could be more or less and this data is usually looking at a per 1000 people born how many kids they had.

Collapsing purchasing power, outsourcing most of the 'real jobs' to slaves, and open borders mean nothing to you then, dumb fuck.

Collapsing purchasing power

right because all those people in the 1930s were buying homes, cars, livestock and food at rates they were not staving, same with soviet Russia that has having 3.5 kids a mother...

outsourcing most of the 'real jobs' to slaves

Not as new as you think, they have just become less transparent about it.

open borders

again, not as new as you think

Governments play a game of hoping you never look past a certain point and stay a midwit that obeys the talking points they give.

tell that to the hordes of mid thirties millennial roasties who are crying over the fact they're single, childless and basically infertile. your analysis is about as deep as a puddle and you're not as clever as you think you are. human beings are not innately anti-natalist otherwise the species wouldn't have ever fucking survived to this point, child rearing and cost of living is harder and steeper than ever for various reasons and therefore people with half a brain are doing the sensible thing which is deferring kids til later but by then it's basically too late.

isn't this all a cycle that most countries do every 80 years until they get to big to handle it? Like Roman had the same issues 17 times in it's existence happening every 80(ish) years. This is the first time in history the cycle broke, and I'm unsure if that has to do with what anons are talking about here with better birth control making their be no generation of fathers wanting better for their sons or thanks to modern tech we have true endless distractions like shitpost arguing who's fault it is rather than doing something about it.

>open borders

again, not as new as you think

lol yes it literally is you retarded fucknut, open borders as we know it today is literally an invention of the last half century. never before in the history of european society has such a mass influx of foreigners entered the landmass, and frankly the same is true for the united states and canada. from 1066 to the early 20th century the largest influx of people the british isles ever got was with the french huguenots totalling roughly 50k, they get 1 million a year net LEGAL migration now, so god knows what the real number is. you people are so fucking stupid, why are you so opinionated when you barely even have a tenuous grasp on the shit you're debating over?

I was about to post a correlation between monetary devaluation and birth rates, but it appears some anons are smart, no need to.

Oh, don't worry. Some faggot disagrees with us anyway.

tell that to the hordes of mid thirties millennial roasties who are crying over the fact they're single, childless and basically infertile

I mean, most women that are interfile in their 30s is out right thanks to the normal birth control they were on. In fact that''s what they all have in common was they were on birth control or used the morning after pill.

you're not as clever as you think you are

why are you projecting the idea this is "clever"? It's just data open to all.

human beings are not innately anti-natalist otherwise the species wouldn't have ever fucking survived to this point

They are but nature made sure they be too horny to stop it. They conquered that as shown in >child rearing and cost of living is harder and steeper than ever
Compared to soviet Russian, Moa china, great depression, black plague, 1914 race riots, etc? It's not any harder, it's just there are more tools to stop it now than then.

deferring kids til later

That's the thing, it couldn't be done until our current era. a hundred years ago people had the same talking points but they kept having kids even though they couldn't feed them or take care of them, because nature didn't care what they wanted, it wasn't until we beat nature that we found ourselves in this situation.

is literally an invention of the last half century.

The term yes, but the idea has existed long before that.

Same thing in Bongland, by the way. Pretty much every Western nation, I imagine.
Who the fuck thinks this could ever be 'a good thing' and not rot a society away.

I deserve what I get and Im getting out of this insane system,

thats it

there is no or die trying because not trying is a death sentence anyway

it wasn't until we beat nature that we found ourselves in this situation

Anyone else find it wild how defensive people get to that idea? Just even implying some of our creature comforters might be why we are in such a bad place just seems to get people recoiling like you touch an open wound on their body. I get it sucks that what we find pleasure and comfort in might be what's killing us but why get hostile about it?

why dont you accept a lower standard of living than your parents and grandparents

Because, you corporate shitball, its our standard of living that set us apart from the dregs in Africa or the Middle East or Central Asia. I will never accept a lower standard of living because someone got paid to post trash on the internet

cool, no one is saying you should in this thread, the thread is about why the birth rates are dropping and the answer is modern tech like the pill that allow to happen.

You just want to have a fight about something no one is talking about

Thats the point, we ARE talking about this. The pill is a scapegoat

it's not, why are you even thinking that?

No. I want them to suffer and spend the last 40 years of their lives alone and miserable. Accelerate.

The pill isn't a scapegoat, it's just the factor in this. You are punching out of society because you can choose not to have kids. 70 years ago you would have likely had rough and tumble sex with as young girl, knocked her up and have the purpose of making sure that kid(s) future was better than yours, you look at this shitty situation and start a revolution for your family's sake. As it is, you'll just shitpost here like an old man yelling at a cloud. You are doing what they want without even understanding why.

open borders as we know it today is literally an invention of the last half century

So it can only exist by what the authorities define it as? There was nothing before that? Until the government on high gave it a name t just didn't exist?

That is some very impressive midwittery

Actually most of the people who are reproducing are the ones dumb enough to not comprehend the massive cost of childcare. The women who don't know about the destructive effects of pregnancy on their bodies. The ones who never plan ahead and just create another human being without thinking about how they'll raise it. The ones who just have sex without considering the consequences. This is why we're seemingly getting dumber and dumber. Making knowledge and contraception easily available has had the effect of scaring everyone smart enough into never reproducing, while the brainlets just keep going.

is it really so smart to avoid having a family network that will look out for you? Is it really that smart looking over centuries of people that did it just fine with much less and assume you couldn't?

Normie criminal assholes and normie betabuxxers are having 1.66 children.
Based religious cultists like the pic are having 6-10 children.
Incel gamers refuse to even touch a woman if they aren't allowed to poison her with birth control.

The baby doesn't seem happy, though.

is it really so smart to avoid having a family network that will look out for you?

Absolutely not guaranteed in any way. My block is full of old folks who had kids but almost never get a visit. I end up having to carry their groceries upstairs sometimes. Nursing homes are full of old folks who were put there by their kids who don't want anything to do with them. Your child is likely to want to live their life, not be your personal butler when you're old and senile. So you're a lot better off living childfree, saving a ton of money and using that to pay people to care for you if you need it. There's also the lack of stress from not having kids that will mean you'll age a lot better.

Is it really that smart looking over centuries of people that did it just fine with much less and assume you couldn't?

It's not that I can't, I just don't want to. I don't like kids. I don't want a wife with a loose pussy who's tired all the time from childcare. I don't want to go back to being poor, like I was in my childhood. I like having money and time for my hobbies. I like being able to save a lot of money every month. I like sleeping in at weekends. I like not having the burden and responsibility of being a father. It's awesome.