Received not only a free joint, but also some titty pics today just for telling people that I'm going to a protest

Castro only starting saying he was a communist cause he wanted soviet gibs, had good branding tho as to portray himself as something more than a run-of-the-mill third world anti-colonial nationalist leader.

if you're gonna uphold gonzalo

I am because i'm not a dengbeetle

Do you guys think Castro ever smoked weed? A Cuban blunt would probably be fire desu

implying Castro wasn't in fact leagues above a "run-of-the-mill third world anti-colonial nationalist leader"

you Gonzaloites fail to recognize how many of your takes are just as stubborn and closeminded as the orthodox Marxists

i'm not a dengbeetle

nice assuming that just because i don't rep gonzalo that must mean i must rep the post-mao chinese governing style

anon went outside and discovered he is a normie

WOW

Genuinely why would i want to be a leftist, though?

Every leftist I know is even more schizo and defeatist than my literal fascist skinhead friends, I have nothing in common with any of them, all of them seem to despise anything rooted in tradition, Christianity, or personal development. None of their economic ideas make a lick of sense other than maybe syndicalism but even that was in Franco and Mussolini's wheelhouse, too, and it doesn't leave enough room for any personal economic freedoms

Maybe I just haven't read enough theory, and some of Lenin's observations are pretty interesting to read about, but there seems to be genuinely no reason for anyone who actually desires some kind of virtuous or community driven life to be a leftist. Dedication to the revolution and crushing dissent through violent struggle truly, honestly just seems like a very poor and pale imitation to dedication to community which existed before radlib shit took hold in the past century.

I got weed and pictures of boobs

I protest

I am le based

Are you fuckin' twelve?

stubborn and closeminded

its okay to be stubborn and closeminded when you are correct

assuming that just because i don't rep gonzalo

if you are a marxist and don't rep the big G you might as well be a disgusting reformist liberal dengoid

other than maybe syndicalism

Even normies on r9k can appreciate syndicalism lol

but even that was in Franco and Mussolini's wheelhouse

Mussolini and Franco literally crushed Syndicalists in Spain by force, they were corporatists.

the opposition to tradition and personal development you speak of is primarily a result of Western bastardization of true revolutionary organizing of the past. The CIA-funded New Left of the 60's has done irreparable damage to the possibility of an actually new system in Western countries.
Fuck the theory. Read the history. The REAL one

When are commies gonna accept that basically all examples of "third world socialism" were really just fascism. Look at the PRC for fucks sake, have you seen a more obvious case of corporate and state power merging? We're just better, learn to deal.

opposition to tradition is a result of the New Left

guys was Pol Pot a part of the New Left

Communism

spiritual fulfillment

Communism

provide

Lol.

My favorite thing about commies is they say stupid shit like "taxation is theft!!!" but then propose a solution where everyone is taxed at 100%.
commies are more retarded than their ideology

A paragraph of incoherent gibberish and a crudely done, terribly unfunny meme

Well I'm sold.

Not every communist is a dengbeetle fascoid

taxation is theft

commies have literally never said that, the line is "property is theft"

Even normies on r9k can appreciate syndicalism lol

Because it's more intuitive than most other things socialists talk about, I think enforcing trade unions makes sense for allowing economic freedom and enterprise which is incredibly important while still having some sort of actual guard against corruption, but obviously it's not perfect given that there's still a shitton of corruption in unions if you know anyone involved in them, but they still offer a lot better benefits to workers.

Mussolini and Franco literally crushed Syndicalists in Spain by force, they were corporatists.

could u elaborate because at the beginning of Franco's regime afaik he had a lot of corporate syndicalist views, and furthermore what exactly IS wrong with Corporatism?

I think a system that creates unionization through guilds and allows some kind of actual harmony between laborers and managers is a good way to actually allow economic freedom and still guard against corruption and exploitation, but maybe i just need some more clarification.

the opposition to tradition and personal development you speak of is primarily a result of Western bastardization of true revolutionary organizing of the past.

call me testicles but what the fuck was the cultural revolution and the mass killings of Christians in both Russia and Spain about, then

it also can provide spiritual fulfillment

Citation needed. It seems like a last desperate nihilist gamble, where nothing matters except material conditions and power.

Also footnote to my cheeky little gochya i really do question how there ISN'T an opposition to tradition when Marxism and Leninism were both steeped in anti-religious sentiment and a devotion to the material? Disregarding spirit or any kinds of universal ethics at the very founding principles seems like it's a rejection of those ideals wholesale.

I don't disagree that most of the New Left is a sheer kakistocracy that mostly is an oroboros of trying to scoop up the fringes of society and reject any kind of normalcy to its own detriment, but still, I have a hard time believing it's JUST CIA meddling.

afaik he had a lot of corporate syndicalist views

that was just him pandering to the Falangists, who were actually Syndicalists, so they wouldn't rebel after he shot their leader.

what exactly IS wrong with Corporatism?

It still maintains the system of capitalism and wage-slavery, but just makes it more comfortable for the slaves (proletariat). It is morally repulsive.

that was just him pandering to the Falangists, who were actually Syndicalists

Ok, but realistically what really WOULD be the issue if there was a fascist state that DID actually accept syndicalism? Frankly a fascist state which looks out for the interests of its own nation above all else while trying to actively work with labor unions seems like a good way to actually have the separation of state and economy that would be needed, no?

It still maintains the system of capitalism and wage-slavery, but just makes it more comfortable for the slaves (proletariat). It is morally repulsive.

I mean to a degree that's kind of the point, though. The positive aspects of keeping economic freedom but safeguarding it by trying to make actual partnerships in labor unions seems like a good idea, no? It seems like a better idea than just sheer full-throttle top-down economics while still allowing actual bargaining power for workers

Because I'm Naz-soc or even Naz-Bol. And for some reason most "normal" commies don't like me.
Local (national) socialism/communism can eaisly work, but only in mostly mono-ethnic and mono-cultural closed nationstates.
Multinational socialism/communism might work. (neighbouring socialist nations cooperating while still being independent)
International socialism/communism (end goal: eventually unify / destroy all nation states and have one single international communist world government) is fucking retarded.

not every commie is a dengbeetle

So ur telling me that the MOST successful commies have actually just been fascists? That's some sick news my man. Not to mention all the third world leftist movements like ba'athism and chavismo basically just being fascism too.

I have a hard time believing it's JUST CIA meddling

you'd be surprised my friend

what the fuck was the cultural revolution

web.archive.org/web/20160304100110/http://www.strongwindpress.com/pdfs/EBook/The_Battle_for_Chinas_Past.pdf

mass killings of Christians in Russia

you are right in that the USSR was an atheist state. i, as many, would argue that this did not stem EXCLUSIVELY from some "anti-religious sentiment and a devotion to the material" as you put it. Rather, you have to acknowledge the historic role that the Church has placed in even liberal reforms. One must look no further than to Latin America to see how religious institutions with connections to capitalist nations have worked to foster anti-revolutionary sentiment to prevent public support for things such as land redistribution. same is true for Russia. True Marxists would say there is nothing wrong with the individual practice of religion. However, to be an idealist and say that just because the USSR took efforts to curb the power of the church to prevent collaboration with capitalist interests that must mean that communism is inherently anti-religious is misguided. it's the same with the CIA point. You would be surprised how anti-communist forces weaponized every facet of society to curb the advancement of Soviet, Chinese, Cuban, etc. socialism.
cyberussr.com/rus/uk122-e.html
Numbers about "mass killings" have also been greatly inflated by outsiders. The vast majority of Christian repression came in the form of forced labor. Again, it's understandable to be against that, but you have to realize that revolutions don't happen in a vacuum. They have never just been allowed to happen without outside influence. They have to adapt to outside interference into areas like academia, organized religion, etc.
idk

why even use that gay ass "Naz-Bol" label?
you are following the logic of Marxism Leninism; Socialism in One Country WILL liberate all countries eventually
Orthodox Marxists' conception of the abolition of all national distinctions is stupid and idealist

successful

meaningless, success should only be measured by how many are freed from slavery

I like capital :(

You're consodering the church a monolith despite the fact that the CIA has literally assassinated bishops in LATAM for preaching "leftism." Just admit that the USSR was antitheist and not just athiest as a state. Blowing up churches and murdering priests in droves isn't good, not to mention supporting nun rapers in Spain. Stalin did some things to amend with the Church but as soon as Khrushchev came in he undid it all like he did with everything Stalin had done.

No I still have "autism", the drugs just make me cool

Based on my experience, I have no idea what you're talking about with regards to leftists. The ones that actually do shit and get involved with organizations tend to be more intelligent and ambitious people; there's plenty of shitty leftists out there, but really there's going to be a lot of shitty people in a capitalist society wants them to be economic machines as opposed to well-rounded human beings. IDK, it really just seems like you've been propagandized because I can't find much basis in any of your argument
Also there's a shit ton of tradition within Marxism and Leninism, it's just not your preferred tradition. The more educated commies here can correct me if I'm wrong, but Marx was mostly opposed to religion because it was mostly a repressive system used to coerce the lower classes into accepting their own exploitation. And as a drug doer, I can definitely see the similarities between drugs and religion when it comes to distracting oneself from their own exploitation. *rips bong* Dude, maybe weed is the new opiate of the masses? Anyways, I definitely think there is a place for personal religious beliefs in a Communist society. The idea the Communism is always vehemently anti-religious is western propaganda used to turn you against leftist ideology. You can understand why that was adopted as a national slogan in the US during the 1950s, right?

No I'm 28, also a virgin but I'm pretty chill

Even normies on r9k can appreciate syndicalism lol

Lmao, I guess most normies really do be identifying as workers

Dawg let me smoke what you got

IDK I recently came to the realization that I might be alone forever and my life will probably be pretty difficult, but it's ok because I feel like the revolution gives me a purpose. Can't kill myself because then "the man" wins

Okay

Dude it's cool you can still be a baller in a Communist society, I just bought two fake chains from the thrift store and have been listening to a lot of Playboi Carti

So the highest growing wages in the world, highest afforestation rates in the world, complete crackdowns on lumpen shit like drugs and crime, some of the greatest education in the world, investing in infrastructure projects all over the world, and heading an organization that aims to unshackle the world from the USD isn't freeing? I have a lot of the same goals as you marxists, but I just cannot deal with your clinginess to ideology when results speak for themselves. Let me just ask you something, you know which two countries had large state led unions while banning any other kind, built up an immense welfare state, invested heavily in public infrastructure, and helped bring independent countries under their control using the context of "freeing slaves?" Fascist Italy and the USSR, all you need to do is look up the countries relations during the interwar period to see how close they truly were in all but the most superficial ways. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo-Soviet_Pact

i, as many, would argue that this did not stem EXCLUSIVELY from some "anti-religious sentiment and a devotion to the material" as you put it.

Yeah except, especially in the west, the church isn't a monolith. I don't disagree that anti-revolutionary sentiment can foster within churches but the fact is that it really does seem like there's a pretty huge opposition to religion, ESPECIALLY in today's leftism. Which granted, you can say isn't "real leftist praxis" or whatever the fuck but it doesn't stop the fact that it is still what it is today, and it DEFINITELY doesn't cover up the shit that the republicans in Spain did.

You can say CIA all day and I won't entirely disagree but it really does seem at its core that there's a rejection of faith, and even then, even if there were congregations that DID collaborate with capitalists, things like the orthodox and catholic churches are renowned for dedication to community and charity and dissolving them or destroying the aspect of free association that makes that charity so direct isn't something i'd want.

i got into anime in 2008 or 09 but at the time it was just some random guy getting into the stuff he never heard before.

I can't find much basis in any of your argument

Yeah, ain't really trying to make any argument ig, just saying that I've been trying to get into reading theory and shit but admittedly I ain't the brightest, and it really all doesn't seem to make much sense economically for providing for the people and it seems like associating with leftists is mostly just associating with people who despise me. Just wondering why to even bother at that point.

Also there's a shit ton of tradition within Marxism and Leninism, it's just not your preferred tradition.

Case in point, I'm not going to reject my faith or the good that members of my faith have done because someone says letting an atheistic state take over is better, tbqh.

The more educated commies here can correct me if I'm wrong, but Marx was mostly opposed to religion because it was mostly a repressive system used to coerce the lower classes into accepting their own exploitation

This was Marx's view and frankly it ignores the amount of work that Christian communities have done for the people over the years, and while it CAN be used to get people to just kind of accept things and move on, Christianity is also the driving force behind most of philosophy, science, and social progress in the west. Pretending like modern ethics had NOTHING to do with faith is ridiculous.

Anyways, I definitely think there is a place for personal religious beliefs in a Communist society

I kind of resent this idea for the same reason i resent modern liberalism. Actual faith, ACTUAL belief in any kind of cause requires actual, direct action, sooner or later. Separating your faith from how you want legislation to run, from the ethics of the state, from anything more than your isolated bubble is a surefire way to leave it devoid of all meaning. ""Faith"" isn't meant to just be some meaningless choice, even if I myself am guilty of treating it like that a lot of the time, too.

I have a lot of the same goals

unless your goal is the abolition of wage-slavery then we have nothing in common. I don't care about quality of life, I care about abolition of the immorality of slavery.

Communism is fine.. it can be subverted, regardless, however. A bad leader for China could turn it into a craphole, if the bureaucracy of the CCP can't stop him. Everything can be subverted, although it's been pretty good so far, and not perfect.

The only truth in history is to always side with the decentralization of power in all forms, being the means to an end of a good life without coercion, and oppression. And that will create our longest lasting future. Sometimes that means supporting strong central states like China when the world is hostile to communist political economy, and the state has enough credibility. Sometimes that means pushing for a robust national culture and open capital market with redistribution in Western nations. I find that in the US, communists are a degenerate political faction.

It is very likely, none of us will get to experience any form of post-scarcity for very long once we get to it. And if we could experience it, it will be some idealist dream regardless. Then we will arrive at the end of history, and like all Last Men of history, we will destroy or kill ourselves out of spite, and a longing for struggle.

I suppose in that sense, true peace on earth has nothing to do with politics, but in knowing what one is and accepting one's fate on Earth.