Do men really want women to be honest?

Guys.....this is a bait thread

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Don't worry i fell for them too, I'll help you escape this realm as well.

It is just the same conversations all day everyday with you gender war people huh?

Do men really want women to be honest?

Yes. But that's only half the puzzle.
Just because you preach a truth doesn't mean you understand its reasoning.
Just because you say something you know doesn't tell anyone how you know.
Being honest is just the first step, really.

So, what do we really want?
We want you to see the bigger picture.
Are you allowed to have preferences? Damn straight.
But should you recognize that your preferences can also be absolute dogshit? Absolutely.
Will you choose to settle down sometimes with someone who might not meet your preferences? Possibly. And we'll see that as a positive.
At the same time, does that mean other women around you suddenly DON'T go back on their settlements all the time? No, because some inevitably will go back on it.

We want you to see the statistics. The gravity of the situation. The cumulative ripple effect that not just you, but women like you, have on society.
More women that choose fewer men for short-term fun means increased risk of childs born to fatherless homes.
Fatherless homes harbor inherently feminine men. While not bad on its own, there's tons of other statistics to boot.
A disproportionate and significant number of high school dropouts, teenagers incarcerated, and teenage suicides come from single mother homes. Especially of men and boys.
Even with the new freedoms women have since the 1940s, a MASSIVE majority of the top jobs owned by women back then are the same as they are today, with the exception of changing out farm labor for HR work.
What does that mean? The majority of jobs men take MUST be at least ROUGHLY the same. But now you got less men raised to meet those jobs' standards. Less men capable, willing, or allowed to work those jobs.
Jobs which are often important to sanitation, infrastructure, and technology.
I kind of want to have a world to live in when I eventually retire in 35 years if I even fucking can.

There's more to life than just yourself. Should I continue?

What if all women went out and said "we are in fact not attracted to unconventionally attractive men" or "incels should just give up" would that make you happy?

Yes, in fact honesty is a good quality in people.

By the way when I say honest. I don't actually mean "honest" but giving in and telling incels what they want to hear.

Oh what a shame you're just another baiting faggot. How disappointing

this is a bait thread

Nothing gets past you, huh? Still, not replying to your bros bait is unsportsmanlike.

Your honesty about only wanting chad would be appreciated.

I dislike negroes.

I love short guys... But they have to be above 5'10. Can't be doing with short guys.

Men are violent. Men kill women or kill themselves when they get sad or angry.

black women are statistically more violent than white men

It's not imaginary. Men are violent. Men kill women or kill themselves when they get sad or angry.

This is such a bizarre cope. Surely you'd trust the man YOU LITERALLY HAND PICKED TO BE YOUR HUSBAND / BOYFRIEND to not kill you if you told him why you were mad at him, right?

Are women this retarded?

exaggerated to get my point across but women do have different standards I promise.

But as you said in your op they only want the top tier 5% most attractive men

quit your job

Why shouldnt i quit my job.
I work in an hospital (ambulance driver).
Im sick of this shit job and now i know ill never date or have a family of my own, so why shouldnt i quit and go somewhere cheap to chill with my savings?

be me

try dating apps

doesn't work

try approaching

doesn't work

try anonymous Reddit forms like forever alone dating.

type the same description I give elsewhere.

actually get replies.

no ghosting ever occurs either.

get asked for a picture of my face.

their opinion completely changes after seeing me.

they say I'm not their type.

all of them

Was I happy after hearing this?
No.
Was I angry?
Also no.
Am I better off for knowing the truth?
Idk

What people are asking when they ask you to be honest, is that. An end to the speculation.
People disagree with your argument that "all women have different preferences" because it's an argument. One that's refuted by statistics and our very lives.
What you believe to be honesty would be fine. But if you're going to argue with people who have been shown the opposite, they want proof. Or at least, a good argument.
And that's even harder to believe coming from someone who shames people for generalizing women, while hypocritically generalizing men in the same breath.

Women will almost always do the complete opposite (or at the very least, something radically different) from what they put forth in words. They like to say whatever is the most progressive or puts them in the best light, but it's not the way that they FEEL. Most guys have caught onto this now.

"I hate bad boys and cheaters!"

Somehow, every relationship she has ever had is just her getting played by a fuckboy and then defaulting to the "all men are cheaters" stance

Then there's the classic:

"Actually, I don't even care about height or dick size. If my man was four feet tall I would still love him! And anything that's more than like.. my pinky is fine, sex isn't that important!"

Has never dated a guy under 6'0" tall, regularly cheats on or ghosts guys for having a "pathetically tiny" five inch dick

Like I am sure there are women out there that go crazy for a tiny, effeminate twink or want nothing more than to be smothered half to death by a big fat hairy teddy bear. But they are so statistically rare that they might as well not even exist within the general population. So don't be surprised when guys roll their eyes and don't believe you.

Are you telling me this rage bait doesn't infest the entire fucking internet?

Have you been living under a rock for the past 5 years?

Just because you preach a truth doesn't mean you understand its reasoning.

But do you understand my reasoning?

But should you recognize that your preferences can also be absolute dogshit? Absolutely.

Because men said so? Maybe it's your thought process and not Mt standards that are wrong. You don't even know me so how can you know that my standards are shit.

The cumulative ripple effect that not just you, but women like you, have on society.

Sounds like victim blaming. If you want to talk about bad effects on society let's talk about how most prisoners are men?

Yes, in fact honesty is a good quality in people

But can you understand that it's hard for us to be honest sometimes?
But I don't though. Women keep telling men that we don't want your stupid chad but you won't listen but maybe me telling you that I do would make you happy?

Why shouldnt i quit my job.

Because it's selfish. If you can work you should. There are people who CAN'T work and they are the ones who really shouldn't. You as a healthy young male have no excuse.

By the way when I say honest. I don't actually mean "honest" but giving in and telling incels what they want to hear.

Ok, then I expect a formal concession and apology on behalf of all women.

Women should especially be honest about dating boring stable men only because they're attainable, while resenting them for not being attractive. It would save a lot of guys from heartbreak.

If I'm asking for honesty, I have to be ready for any answer.
If I have reason to doubt their honestly, I'll press further.
This same thing has happened to me when I am falsely accused, and as such I try to make sure that I can back up my word with video and audio evidence of what actually happened.

If you believe yourself to be honest, why aren't you willing to defend your statements in the face of evidence?
I'm not asking you to go as far as I did, just defend the logic of it.

How tall is your boyfriend femanon?

Because it's selfish. If you can work you should.

Working for nothing on return with no prospect of family or anything meaningful
No i dont think i will. As a matter of fact ill quit as soon as i can.
They can find a strong independant woman to drive ambulances at 3am.
Im moving to zanzibar.

Women keep telling men that we don't want your stupid chad

But as you said earlier thats a lie

No men hate it when women arent controlled they all have npd they seek your spark to piss on it

But do you understand my reasoning?

I haven't heard your truth. Only a truth which you preach about a general population as we know it. That is the truth I wish to know its reasoning for; and to see if you potentially fall within that truth and consider it your own also. What that truth is in particular? You mentioned part of it in your OP.

Because men said so? Maybe it's your thought process and not Mt standards that are wrong. You don't even know me so how can you know that my standards are shit.

Because logic says so. Preferences should be a delicate balance between narrowing down a population enough that you can be more specific with what you get out of it, while also still being large enough a portion that it's not statistically unlikely to attain it in a reasonable order of time. If I said I preferred having a multimillionaire wife, that'd be a shit preference because that'd narrow down the choices way too much to be reasonably attainable. Also, I do not know your standards. I am speaking of the standards that the general population of millennial and generation Z women have. Maybe your standards are much more attainable and effective... that isn't my argument.

If you want to talk about bad effects on society let's talk about how most prisoners are men?

1. And a decent portion of those men come from single mother homes.
2. You're also talking about societies which historically have given less harsh (And shorter) sentences to women. So it'd make sense there'd be more men in prison in comparison.
3. You're ALSO talking about societies which believe women shouldn't be incarcerated into prisons, and which have programs actively seeking to take women out of the disciplinary system into other systems. Further skewing the data.
4. For the 'victim blaming' part, I don't mean to say women are solely to blame, or even the primary cause. Just that they certainly could step up more than they currently are.

This is not anything against YOU yourself.

You should be honest and tell ugly men you want them dead. It's not right to interact with them daily with a smile on your face

imaginary fear of retaliation

I honestly wish I was born a male sometimes, just to be this oblivious towards how my own gender behaves when rejected.

Black women never stalkes me, insulted me or threatened violence just for politely telling them no.

The ultimate thing is, if you're honest and you say you're being honest, there can only be one of two things reasonably going on.
A. You say the things we see a general population of women (at least as portrayed by ALL media in primarily western influence spheres) do. We ask you if you see anything wrong with it. If you say nothing, we dislike it, and if you say there is something wrong with it, we ask why you don't fix it. If you say you don't care to, for any reason, we dislike it, and if you say you're trying or are improving, we ask to see your results. Once we hear your results and see your story, we hope to hold you up to those standards, and continue to work with you towards a hopeful future. At the same time, we will also know what your past was, and be able to amply protect ourselves from it.
B. You say something that doesn't line up with the general population of women, and because it's uncommon, we simply won't believe it based on the fact it's unusual. So what do you do? Don't yell, don't argue, don't fight back, and just affirm that it's honest. Then, continue on as if nothing happened; only making sure to be mindful to practice all of your truths that you stated; specifically the ones that didn't line up with the general population. Once we see you're actually holding up to your words, we'll believe you, and give you the benefit of the doubt.

The majority of men simply don't trust the majority of women in today's day and age due to the shit we've not only seen a decent sized population of them do, but also PREACH to each other through their social circles. Not to mention the actual harm some women HAVE done to some men. You can try to justify your side with statistics as much as you want, but if your statistics get countered or the other side just doesn't care about statistics, you can't make them believe you through force. If you want men to believe in something else, then be the something else. If you want change, be the change.

Women should especially be honest about dating boring stable men only because they're attainable, while resenting them for not being attractive. It would save a lot of guys from heartbreak.

But none of this is true. Women can be attracted to normal men if they have other good qualities. Looks is also subjective.
6 foot 3.
No I didn't. I said that I'm willing to be "honest" if it makes incels happy. In reality I'm willing to lie to make incels feel better because they won't believe me anyways when I tell them that you don't have to be chad to experience love.

You should be honest and tell ugly men you want them dead

I don't though. I have nothing against ugly men even if I'm not attracted to them.

I don't need them to shout about it but I'd prefer not to be gaslighted when I talk about how my height and appearance has affected my social/romantic life. It feels really bad to live a life that tells you one things and then have women tell you it was all imagined or something.

the more you confirm my wolrdview the more you justify violence against you

Women are being honest, men are just shit and instead of listening they insist on their tantrums because they want to have their shitty beliefs validated instead of making some effort

How short are you king?

6 foot 3

Two seconds later

I'm willing to lie to make incels feel better because they won't believe me anyways when I tell them that you don't have to be chad to experience love.

6 foot 3.

Every
Single
Time

Nona who likes actually short men(5'4 or less) and would have one(granted he's bf material in other areas) as a husband, here.

Inb4 the replies "Well you will end up chasing Chad anyways!!!"
Preferences aren't absolute nor dealbreakers. Between a 5'1 dude who's a piece of shit bum and a 5'10 dude who's well-rounded, has similar interests/values, and caring, no shit I'd choose the latter dude. But as someone extremely short and also want someone like me as a partner, someone close to my height and isn't a giant compared to me is just a plus, rather than the one thing that convinces me to date him no matter what.

Besides, men will just give women shit for having wants in relationship partners regardless while also having similar wants. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Nona who likes actually short men(5'4 or less) and would have one(granted he's bf material in other areas) as a husband, here

Wait until you find out that most short men have napoleon complex.

heres the problem though: my point that its rare still stands
there might be a few outliers like few pics that get spammed over and over, or some anecdotal outliers like you but in the end most women (95%) do not think like you and instead being tall is a requirement to them
i say this as a 5'3 guy, being 5'8 is the minimum in dating, if i made a dating app profile i probably wouldnt get a single match in a month, being 5'10 to 6 foot is the play, picrel
horn effect, btw ive noticed a lot of average and tall men will say this to women that like short guys, in order to get them to stop liking short guys, its like some intrasexual competition, throwing your fellow man under the bus for some coochie kek

154cm. Kind of hard to pretend it's not a big deal.

I don't need them to shout about it but I'd prefer not to be gaslighted when I talk about how my height and appearance has affected my social/romantic life

I won't. I promise. How has it affected you?
This is what I'm talking about. Men are violent and hearing the truth hurts them.

Women are being honest, men are just shit

They would prefer us to lie and tell them that all women are shallow sluts. It's just projection from their side.
What does that have to do with anything? There are women who don't care about height.
k but explain this

k but explain this The outlier proves the rule

How has it affected you?

Let's be honest you've probably heard guys talk about it a hundred times. Not being taken seriously, being treated as an easy target, being made the butt of jokes constantly. I won't pretend it's exclusively women who do this stuff, a lot of guys put other men down to make themselves look better by comparison, but the disdain from a lot of women is hard to ignore.
That's just the social side of things obviously, but romantically I've basically given up. I bashed by head against dating apps for years, even tried speed dating/matchmaking type affairs and that was fruitless too. The final nail was just changing the height on my profile and seeing a complete u-turn in the kinds of interactions I had (or the fact I was getting any at all).

btw ive noticed a lot of average and tall men will say this to women that like short guys,

I've noticed tallfags tend to freak out when they they see women deviating from the tall norm. You think they'd be satisfied with their inbound attention.

thats all men, everyone is bound by instrasexual competition so they constantly try to one up each other, emasculate each other, make fun of each other based on all types of things like height, fashion, age, race, nationality, religion, politics etc.
you know the old story of guys turning on their friendgroup the moment some vagina walks in, they start making fun of their friend to court the female, they try to make themselves seem better than other males by putting them down.
its pathetic and why i dont have male friends, because theres no loyalty or gender unity.

Men dont want honesty, because they want to confirm their worldview that women suck and are evil.

Bummer. I get women give shorter men alot of shit, but eh, a girl can fantasize about having a short bf who doesn't let his height get to him.
Yeah, I acknowledge I'm in a very small minority. I'm misandrist as fuck, but I have sympathy for men w/ this arbitrary as fuck standard. I get women wanting their bf to be taller than them, but women across the board wanting SPECIFICALLY 6ft+ is kinda puzzling.