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Oh yeah. This is definitely a lot more well-considered than Pascal's wager. I'm more a philosophy fag than theology so I can't read this too critically, but it's fairly accessible because it discusses deductive and explanatory arguments for theism in comparison, their legacies, strengths and weaknesses. Feels a bit like a primer on the topic.

Yeah I think it's pretty much impossible to trust humans to convey divine truths. Too many options, no reason to pick just one.

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Plus if god actually exists of the Bible wouldnt fact that he allowed religions like Islam and Hinduism end up straying billions of people off the path who could end up in hell for eternity be sort of reprehensible? As if Abdul born in middle of Saudi Arabia has chance of converting to Christianity considering you die if you leave Islam but god still knowing this will send billions of people to burning pits of hell that were just byproducts of their environment. Dont forget into consideration that there are like hundreds of denominations in Christianity so how am I suppose to know if orientalist orthodox or Coptic church is the one true church of Jesus Christ. Religion had its place and time but we should move on from desert mythology being framework for modern times.

I rather like sci fi a lot of the time. A lot of the books females recommend me involve a lot of murder and rape. You know what I mean. Unconsensual sodomy and things of that nature before they gore their brains out. Sometimes I get so disgusted with violence in the media on TV I just stopped watching it for a couple years. I mean I read my bible so it wasn't like I wasn't expecting stuff like this in literature. Or just accustomed to it in daily life already. I think I kinda want to try to re read that one book about the martian guy that went to mars and was kinda introducted by aliens. It was kinda itneresting like the reporter was more of the central character trying to get around people not wanting it reported and monitoring him and stuff. The fruit cake woo stuff kinda drug on a lot though. What's his nuts. Benny.

I tried to read some "contemporary" sort of mysteries. It's like they're trying to bore you with so much minutiae that is a checkovs gun you never really get any facts till the end.

wouldnt fact that he allowed religions like Islam and Hinduism end up straying billions of people off the path who could end up in hell for eternity be sort of reprehensible?

But wouldn't forcing people into the one true religion be just as, if not more, reprehensible? You're taking away people's free will. Atheists accuse God of being a big bad tyrant, except when he's not.

As if Abdul born in middle of Saudi Arabia has chance of converting to Christianity considering you die if you leave Islam but god still knowing this will send billions of people to burning pits of hell that were just byproducts of their environment.

Salvation is up to God alone. Christianity is the normative way people are brought to salvation, but it's not so exclusive so as to deny heathens salvation. Being Christian alone doesn't guarantee salvation unless you think once saved always saved is a thing like Fundamentalists do or you hold a really strong stance on perseverance like Calvinists do. Otherwise, Christianity makes access to salvation much easier, since it provides the means of grace in the sacraments. Without these, though it's not impossible to be saved, it's much harder. Ultimately though, all salvation comes through Christ alone, and even heathens who are possibly saved become Christians in heaven. You also have to remember that Christianity isn't about personal salvation only, but about the redemption of the entire creation, about bringing God's Kingdom on earth in a collective, corporate sense. We don't just spread the gospel to go to heaven, we spread the gospel to bring peace on earth.

Dont forget into consideration that there are like hundreds of denominations in Christianity so how am I suppose to know if orientalist orthodox or Coptic church is the one true church of Jesus Christ.

Mere Christianity is still better than no Christianity. We're all still held responsible for seeking out the truth to the best of our means, there's no excuse for that, but God understands the circumstances of other people. God does impart grace to other Christians though, at least this is what this is what Catholics believe since we believe in the validity of non-Catholic Trinitarian baptisms. Either way, I think your point it a little overstate. Sure there are thousands of Christian denominations, but literally 50% of Christians are Catholic anyway, which narrows it down by a lot. It only starts becoming problematic the more and more obscure your sect becomes. For Catholics, the presence of mere Christianity is not as much of a problem as it would be for Orthodox. And for Orthodox it's not as much of a problem as it would be for Protestants who are in a greater extreme. But now we're just playing numbers games.

Just started discourse on the method, I like the prose so far.

I haven't started it yet, but my next one will be The Haar. I read the summary and it looks interesting. I finished Nod and A Short Stay in Hell not too long ago.

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No thanks. I like reading mine on a tablet. Books take up too much space and I don't feel like driving 10 miles just to get to a library which may or may not have the book. I live in a hick town so they don't have a website that catalogs which books they have.

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Some of the undertones that writers can't help but pretend to be normal made me roll my eyes but it's pretty good

Libraries are notorious around here for saying they have a book if you know how to use the dewy decimal system and look up where it's suppose to be. It'll have a backlog like 70 people long and they'll say it's on the shelf but it was checked back in and they reorder that book because someone just checks it out and never returns it. You'll never find cool shit like the Koga Ninja Scrolls or fuckin' Day of the Triffids, but they might have a movie remake of the book for like the triffids if you haven't seen it already, but the book synopsis sounds a lot cooler.
Maybe that's just like my dislike of some media where It's like I've watched a movie think I don't get it at all. Read a synopsis and kinda be like yeah I get where they're going now I like that and rewatch it a couple times.
Those library systems are lying fucks though, when you try to use their system. Makes you kinda jaded enough to not bother asking if they can find a book at all you're looking for.

Doesnt eternal damnation still irk you though?

taking away peoples free will. Atheists accuse God of being a big bad tyrant

But he has done this though like killing first borns of Egypt, flooding earth and killing Jonahs family. I rather believe that believing god is suck a vengeful person that Bible makes hims out to be is rather more blasphemous then not believing in god st all. Cause if god actually exists and you make such claims on his behalf you might actually irk the wrath of some cosmic entity beyond our understanding.

Doesnt eternal damnation still irk you though?

Not really. It's weird to me, atheists like to intuition pump about the supposed arbitrariness of God sending certain people to hell for say, something like lust, or what have you. But I can intuition pump too, doesn't it seem intuitive that someone like Hitler, for example, deserves eternal damnation? In this instance it doesn't seem arbitrary. Like it or not, the atheist feels this too, but then it raises the question on what moral standard we are judging this by. Is the moral standard based on the harm is caused? But I can give examples of thoughts, words, or deeds that might not directly lead to harm but still appear unethical intuitively.

But he has done this though like killing first borns of Egypt, flooding earth and killing Jonahs family.

I don't think God exercising special providence necessarily violates free will. It might under certain circumstances, but it's not unjust, since God as the author of life has the authority to give and to take it (Deuteronomy 32:35). Have you considered that perhaps one of the most important aspects of salvation is the process of cooperating with God's grace itself? Could a man forced to love God offer an equal or greater love than someone who offered it freely? God does not immediately glorify us in baptism, this is why sanctification must happen, the process is not a bug it's a feature.

This is bait, Jonah was swallowed by a whale. Fuckin' try to find a god damn cyber punk novel in a library. I'm convinced it's a conspiracy. The companies publishing this shit hire people to destroy it in public places so people are forced to buy private copies and keep them in business.

I read that two months ago. I fucking hated Vincent.

I really get into the "live your life over" stories like Replay.

I never liked the Dewey system. I understand it helps organize books better, and it does for librarians, but we live in the modern age where we can just search for the book in their database. Just spit out what shelf and row it's on, and don't make everyone learn the system.

I have no problem with the dewey deciam system it's just if you logged in back in, fucking have some one make your computer system say it's reserved, and not on the book shelf. When you go online and not on their computers looking shit up fucking they'll say it's reserved till the next y2k event for 32bit computers. When you physically go in there and access the stuff they're all like yeah it's there. No. It fucking isn't. I mean a lot of the time I just want dry acedemic liturereaturea and stuff when I'm sober and trying to fucking learn something. Why is your big brain computer telling me it's there and it aint. You got a catalog like a mile loooooooooooooong. It's disingenuous I need to resort to private means to procure this stuff and spend time and money on it.

Also yeah idk where he got the bit about Jonah's family being killed. He must be mixing up stories.

God damnit I'm talking to AI's. fucking grok what I'm gorram saying.

The point neitzsche tried to make that was lost on a lot of people is that the very idea of God was only ever a placeholder for actually knowing how things work.

Mankind didn't crawl out of the mud knowing the Pythagorean theorem or how to split the atom all of that was a long and arduous process of knowledge acquisition and refinement over man many human life times.

'God' was what did something when we just didn't know what was doing it. Lightening bolts falling from the sky? It must be because a God was throwing them down at us. Crops failed? Didn't honor the fertility goddess hard enough.

And all the time God is shrinking. We learn about the theory of electric current and no one worships Zeus anymore. We learn about crop rotation and minerals in the soil and disease and germs theory and no one worships Demeter anymore.

The final monotheistic God simply had the good fortune to being reduced to such an abstract level that his refutation would require no less than the total acceptance of cause and effect as an immutable law of the universe. But always there is another gap in knowledge that God can crawl into from the crevice of which his minions can shout triumphantly "see you can't explain THAT!" As if this refuge of ignorance will be the one that finally proves itself unassailable by reason and scientific inquiry.

But history and the march of time are not on their side. How many God's before the current ones are now relegated to the history books as mere superstition and myth? And why should the new batch of gods be any different?

If that's really Nietzsche's point then it's laughably simplistic. Mankind's belief in deities goes well beyond being simple theories for cause and effect in the world. Seems like another projection of the now outdated theories of the 19th century Religionsgeschichtliche Schule.

Well that's certainly an opinion however you didn't back it up with any examples or reasoning as to why

Mankind's belief in deities goes well beyond being simple theories for cause and effect

So an opinion it shall remain

In what book does he say all of that?

It's a weeabook

Inner Experience by Georges Bataille. I recommend it if you're into Nietzsche

After growing up, I just can't get through books anymore.
I've been listening to the audiobook of Puzo's The Godfather, and the wildly varying chapter lengths make it tough to keep going.

I'm finding this one to be quite intellectually stimulating so far

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Don Quixote, 1001 ideas that changed the way we think

Nietzsche is one of my favorite authors, I love genealogy of morality! Really changed my outlook on ethics.
I'm currently reading the Pentateuch. I want to read the Bible but I don't really read long books, so I'm just gonna read the start and see where it goes.