If evolution is a thing, why are incels/femcels born?
If evolution is a thing, why are incels/femcels born?
why
so they can watch girls und panzer
Because both my parents are odd too but got lucky to find each other in university
knows about it
Hello incel
incels aren't a thing, they are a lineage of thousands of chads and stacys. But they invent bullshit like autism because they are lazy and fail to fulfill their purpose
That doesn't really answer my question. Incels have no place in evolution, you being alive is an oddity
My parents would've stayed single forever if they didn't have an arranged marriage. Before that my mum got a nosejob so shed look maybe mid. so now I'm stuck with a nose that should never have been passed down. What's this thread about again
The average incel does NOT look/behave like Chad/Stacy though.
you being alive is an oddity
I know i like being odd
But why didn't evolution avoid that nose or your birth?
because reality is solely my experience of it so it's impossible that I wouldn't be born but if I did then nothing would happen ever
Evolution isn't a linear path. It's mashing the random button until a more successful combination arises.
Are you implying that reality wouldn't exist if you or your nose didn't?
yeah, can't prove me wrong sadly
Then why hasn't evolution evolved? What's the point of all of these undesirable results? Isn't human survival supposed to be the standard?
You can't prove that too
Probably a bait thread but I'll bite:
In order for an organism to be successful at the species level, it needs to have sufficient generational variability to survive unexpected novel evolutionary pressures. In humans variability is generated through the random allocation of chromosomes and chromosomal recombination. The inevitable result of random variation is that it generates a magnitude of less-viable variants for every successful variant. Males also have far greater variability than women. The result of this is that only ~40% of men across the entirety of human history have reproduced, dropping down as low as ~9% about 11k years ago.
i know it will for me and that's good enough
Are you implying that there are various results, undesirable ones included, because the future is uncertain?
I am stating that organisms with variation survive evolutionary stresses. If you want to wax philosophical over that you can but I care nothing for it.
An even better explanation than I could give, bravo sir.
Wouldn't it be better to have the best genes instead of genetic diversity? Robust instead of disposable.
No, since there is no such thing as a universal "best" gene, fitness of a gene is always situational. Consider a famine, the hulking 7' tall monster is going to need more calories to survive than the 5'2" manlet which means the manlet is more fit. However, if the following year there is abundant food but a pack of lions starts eating people you want the 7' monster gene back.
not everyone born procreates or survives long enough to procreate my dude. do you like know anything about animals on whatever on this planet?
i've come across that 40% couple of times and it seems improbably. maybe 20% or something.
You just answered your own fucking question
I see. Putting size aside, what about intelligence? Why is not everyone smart?
do you need to be smart to trash the wheat? you are asking stupid questions mate
Smart workers create more efficient ways to work.
Intelligence is extremely costly in terms of calorie usage. If you are in harsh environments that need creative solutions to survive then intelligence is a critical trait, if you live in a tropical paradise then there is no point having it. This is why niggers evolved less smart than whites for example, whites needed to be capable of planning for european winter. It is also why all domesticated animals have smaller brains now than when they used to be wild.
Because mutations are random and there exists variability in genes
It is also why all domesticated animals have smaller brains now than when they used to be wild.
Pregnant women are domesticated?
Intelligence is extremely costly in terms of calorie usage
Source?
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
more intelligence, more synapse action/denser synapses/etc.
topic is evolution
posts a link referencing a change at the individual level
m8...
more intelligence, more synapse action/denser synapses/etc.
I see. Another question (probably the last): if personality traits are genetic, what's the point of bad traits such as: greed, sloth, lust, wrath, pride, gluttony and envy (ig competition is good)?
This is more into the realm of evo-psych (which is not my area) than strict evo, but there are immediate benefits to the deadly sins
greed: hoard more resources in good times so you have more when the lean times hit
sloth: conserve more energy by doing less and figuring out ways to optimise the things you still do
lust: fucking more makes more offspring
etc.
The severity of these traits are all reigned in by the social nature of the species, so if greed gets too excessive you get thrown out of 109 countries etc.
so if greed gets too excessive you get thrown out of 109 countries etc.
Kek. Understandable explanation, thanks.
You are a combination of both nature and nurture.
Incel is a curse of nurture.
You're born and then you're injected with dozens of heavy metal "vaccines" which immediately fuck up your brain, have parts of your dick cut off which causes traumatic brain damage (literally increases the rate of autism), and then you have whatever the fuck your parents do to you.
No seriously until the 1990s it was established medical wisdom that babies couldn't feel pain so they did the circumcision without anesthesia. Hence the "strap them down" device. Anyway.
When animals in the wild miss the developmental period to learn how their species mate, they're fucked. Birds who don't learn how to sing can't draw the female birds.
Barely different species who live together who would otherwise be able to breed don't because they're singing different songs.
Somewhere along the way, your parents or society or your own self failed you. And now you're paying the price for it.
Intelligence needs to be defined first. Do you mean ability to think on the spot? Long term planning? Creativity? Already we're on three vastly different definitions.
Norther winter forged long term planning because without it, you died / starved / froze. So the "dumb" ones died off, but more so the ones who didn't have trust of the community. It's hard for a single man to do it all, but a community can cover for each other. However said community still needs to be smart enough to do so.
Compared to warm fertile regions like Africa, where food is abundant all year round. No long term planning? No problem, just grab a fruit when hungry, maybe kill something to eat it.
What environment causes mental resilience?
It's all balance bro. You know how Asians have more feminine facial features, sacrificing the appeal of most Asian males but allowing the average Asian female to be a cutie patootie in exchange? It's the same with incels. 80% of males are sub5 so 1% can be Chad. Nature wasn't capable of more greatness.
if personality traits are genetic, what's the point of bad traits such as: greed,
Keep in mind that it's not just "greed", it's "greed in response to seeing many resources", or "greed in response to seeing few resources", etc. See the above winter example.
"Greed" could be as such to accumulate resources to then actually give it away during the right times, allowing not only your own survival but that of the group.
The father who works long hours to earn money could be seen as greedy, but that same "greed" could be so he could give it to his son, or it could be the kind of greed that he keeps it from his son. It's a bit of a matter of perspective.
And even then some traits are learned and not inherent. If you go through a period of starvation, you're more likely to then hoard / stockpile food, for hopefully obvious reasons.
I see. Every emotion seems conveniently useful. What about disorders? What benefit does schizophrenia have?
1) I didn't mention mental resilience.
2) I want to ask if you ever consider searching for such things on your own. I mean, wikipedia for example: ( en.wikipedia.org
Numerous factors influence a person's level of resilience. Internal factors include personal characteristics such as self-esteem, self-regulation, and a positive outlook on life. External factors include social support systems, including relationships with family, friends, and community, as well as access to resources and opportunities.
People can leverage psychological interventions and other strategies to enhance their resilience and better cope with adversity. These include cognitive-behavioral techniques, mindfulness practices, building psychosocial factors, fostering positive emotions, and promoting self-compassion.
3) By "environment" I don't know if you meant geographic or social, so I can't answer your question too in depth.
yep. pretty much. my personal experience is this. the more i look back at my childhood the more i realize i literally never had a fucking chance. i have fun memories but mostly it's just pure misery and abuse. no father, absent mother (she had to work so we have food tbf) and shit ton of bad advice and propaganda by jew movies etc. i remember being so fucking angry and confused why girls in high school and collage didn't like even tho i wasn't super ugly or anything (and still had my hair). but now i realize i literally never picked up as a kid how to act around women because i lacked a father in the household from whom i can instinctively pick on social cues etc. peers for the most part genuinely wanted to be around me. i got invited to places and stuff. but women just instantly put me in the friendzone and constantly used me to get good grades, to get free coffee etc.
when i finally started reading on this shit i figured out what was wrong but by that point the damage was so fucking done i don't even know. and no, the "redpill" shit doesn't work. you can't suddenly be confident and "normal". it doesn't work like that. i'm still not ok with it but i don't know what to do. i'm getting old and i think i have to get used to it that this is what it is. i've been so out of the game i'm not even sure if i can make any connection with a woman. younger one? forget about it. someone close to my age? like wtf i don't even know what to talk about anymore. covid shit didn't help. was isolated for a long time too.
it's all fucked.
Maybe it has some extreme niche use like convincing people you are a messiah, but essentially it is a pure negative. Lots of aspects of biology are fundamentally flawed because they developed too far under one set of conditions to ever be fixable through normal variation, even though they aren't useful anymore. All species accumulate genetic trash like that until the burden eventually becomes fatal. A really good example is the utter absurdity of the Vagus Nerve going all the way down under the heart only to come back up. So for the common genetic diseases, either they don't kick in until after breeding age (eg. Huntington's) or they have an environmental trigger component that doesn't always fire (eg. Schizophrenia) or they can pop up from otherwise healthy lineages since it comes from genes that are particularly susceptible to genetic damage (eg. probably autism) etc.
Mental disorders are a different subject all together.
Schizophrenia, for instance, is largely (though not always) caused by a malformed thyrus (part of the brain). It's a structural defect. The thyrus is responsible for things such as "assigning agency to your own actions", so this can have the effect of "you moved a cup" -> "you see the cup is moved" -> "you don't assign the cup being moved to you, therefore it was someone else" -> [etc.]
OCD is due to a non ceasing thought loop. For example, you see a toilet. You think "dirty". You end the thought there naturally.
OCD sufferers however can't terminate the thought loop properly, so it becomes "dirty". "dirty". "dirty". And because it's "dirty" it's "I need to wash my hands". So seeing the toilet causes them to wash their hands 20 times until the action finally allows them to cease the thought loop.
It's a disorder because something went wrong, not because there's a benefit to it.
"Bad" personality traits kind of have reasons to exist, but those "bad" personality traits can be either natural or the result of trauma / learned behavior. However many mental disorders are the result of developmental... disorder, and that's not something that "also has benefits", it's almost only detriment. It's like asking "what's the benefit of being born with one hand". Well, technically fewer calories I guess, but that's just silver lining of a bad situation that shouldn't have happened if everything happened as it should have.
disorders are like bad heart or cancer
it's just randomness from the environment. evolution doesn't happen without it but nothing says randomness has to be beneficial. lots of kids to this day die from random cancer or conditions before they are 10.
Unfit people breeding and living in squalor does not disprove evolution.
I meant geographic.
I see. That's understandable! Thanks
disorders are like bad heart or cancer
Ohh, good example.
If you want my advice, unasked though it may be (though what do I know, maybe you venting like that is the only cry for help you're able to elicit), the answer is in developing your spirituality.
People can tell when you're "holding back". It's easy to say "be normal", but rather than normal I would want to say "don't show your (justified) bitterness". People originally found mates for survival. We have food now, for the most part. So "survival" now is social. People want to have fun and feel good. Connect, sure. But if what they're connecting to is pain and hurt and bitterness, why would they want to connect to that. So, what's the solution. Let go of it.
It's as "simple" as that. Bitterness is a poison you drink and expect the other person to suffer. All you have to do is drop the vial. But how do you do so? Develop your spirituality. Wish good for everyone. Or almost everyone.
Even if you're weird, if you radiate "goodness", that will draw people to you. And, ironically, even if it doesn't help draw women, you will still feel much better about yourself due to the developed state of your soul.
If you want the Anon Babble route of this, I would suggest Neville Goddard. If you want the Anon Babble route to this, I would suggest Manly P. Hall.
Both of them long since dead, though they have lectures on youtube up.
What if being less intelligent causes you to be less inhibited and want to fuck more and less discerningly. Eventually the dummies have the advantage in numbers.
Women always choose the best and fittest males to have sex with (breed). Men who have sex are the ones most deserving of having sex and have the best genes.
If you disagree, you are an incel ignorant of basic biology
femcels
Not a thing
incels
Small gametes are the primary vector for sexual selection; females judge the quality of these through the phenotype of the male in front of them. Some are selected for, others are selected against.
How is more dummies beneficial? Ah, survival in numbers. Hmm, interesting point
In a democracy the masses have a say in governing the country and the more intelligent guys and gals farm these dummies for votes and money.
thanks. yeah i was kinda just venting a little or whatever. yes, if before the reason was because i had not picked up on male traits now it's just being angry, bitter and miserable. and yes, i know nobody wants to be around that. i don't want to be around that either but it's kinda being in the middle of the ocean on a plank of wood and not wanting to be around water. the damage is so fucking done i have no idea where to even start. do i read books? go to the gym? get a job? meet people? where do people meet nowdays. the couple of friends i had got married and kids, we drifted during the covid era. my social interactions boil down to hi and goodbye in my local stores. don't use social apps cos what's the fucking point. i just sit alone and wish i was never fucking born.
thanks m8 anyway. but seriously as a millennial the spiritual stuff really doesn't work on me. i've tried but my brain simply got programmed to not work like that.
i donn know anymore. sorry for reading my ramblings. thx for reading at least tho. you are a good dude.
Remember that biological terms do not equate to terms as we use them.
Nature works generation to generation. It doesn't plan shit out dozens of generations ahead. The african who has 10 kids, has "10 units of success". The European who has 2 kids has "2 units of success". As far as nature is concerned, for that one generation, the african is more successful than the european.
And, socially, as long as we're bound to this failure of a system known as democracy, you now have 10 africans and 2 europeans from their parents' generation and oh wow look at that the africans voted in their interest who would have thought.
because I was born under bad parenting and genetic mental illness
I'm also a millenial, that's not the excuse you want to use. You can listen to the lectures and pretend it's a podcast if you want lol.
What worked for me personally was extreme self loathing. I hate other people, but I hate myself more. I wanted a gf, a wife, a lover, a family, just like you, just like most people. I got a gf, and then skipping the story things ended with an abortion. I see myself as a murderer now. I still want a wife and kids, but I'm also now terrified of the prospect. So much so I'm not pursuing any woman, see no reason to bother working because why work if you have no goal, etc. Maybe it's being burned out, to ashes. Who knows. But when you experience a dark state of being, you start seeking answers, excuses, meaning, coping, you grab onto whatever's there. For many people, that's religion or spirituality.
my brain is programmed to not work like that
The brain can be broken by trauma. Arguably it's a good thing you haven't been forced to find delve into the spiritual side of things. It means you can approach it on your own terms.
But. But. I would at least give it a shot.
Again, Manly Hall could be considered a standard college professor. In fact, he was. So you can nix the thought of religion for his talks and just consider it a... lecture, I guess?
youtube.com
As an example, since we were talking about our pasts and thoughts of the future.
I'll be listening to this one tomorrow myself since I brought it up.
Natural selection doesn't mean that all life forms are winners, it means the opposite. There are random mutations and genetic failures that are filtered out through natural processes. Over a long period of time random mutations that are helpful to survival are reinforced due to the positive selection pressure of that trait.
dude i know we are just randos on the internet but i just want to say i'm really sorry that happened to you. i'm not trying to make a joke or anything. holy fuck. if by some miracle i got a woman pregnant and she aborted my child i don't know what i'd. that might be the fucking end for me bro seriously. holy fuck i'm so sorry to hear that.
from how you are wording i'm sensing you had a hand in that decision and it looks like you take all the blame for it but i just want you to know i appreciate you sharing this. personally i don't think i can bear losing a child since all i want in this fucking world is a wife and kids. i don't even want to be rich or shit like that. just a regular job and family. but i'm never getting that so i just spiral more and more.
fuck. anyway i'll check this shit out maybe. thx. wish you all the best too.
Schizophrenia, for instance, is largely (though not always) caused by a malformed thyrus (part of the brain). It's a structural defect. The thyrus is responsible for things such as "assigning agency to your own actions", so this can have the effect of "you moved a cup" -> "you see the cup is moved" -> "you don't assign the cup being moved to you, therefore it was someone else" -> [etc.]
That's not the pathophys of schizophrenia lmao.
What do you mean? What about it do you find confusing?
thanks bro, wishing you the best too.
basically how it happened was
find out
oh, shit, wanna get back together?
no? freakout.mp4
tell her to get one
a day or two later, she agrees
come to my senses, tell her not to do so
she doesn't agree
Between her breaking up and finding out, she had already moved back home with her family. So it wouldn't have been easy to intervene. Though I also tell myself "what, so a literal matter of life and death isn't enough to move you?" and etc.
It's been 10 years now or so, so I've moved on from the emotional aspect of it, hence how I'm able to talk about it. But I retain the fear of intimacy / relationships / distaste of women.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
A Case for Thalamic Mechanisms of Schizophrenia: Perspective From Modeling 22q11.2 Deletion Syndrome
Lastly, cognitive symptoms are defined by and include abnormal thinking, poor problem-solving skills and decision-making abilities, the inability to communicate effectively, and deficits in attention and working memory.
There are multiple types of symptoms, it's not just "ooh the voices".