Are humans really monogamous

so ive been toying with this idea for a while and im starting to think that humans arent monogamous but ever since civilization happened, society and muh gawd deluded everyone into thinking that humans are actually monogamous and you WILL not have sex with someone else
but now seeing the breakdown of social structure it seems that literally everyone you meet has one or multiple ex's, and most marriages end in failure, and this exposes the humans' true sexual nature
also just the fact that a "limerence" stage in relationships exists, where both parties are obsessed with eachother for a relatively short time and then get bored after it ends where not uncommonly one of them will fuck someone else, should be setting off alarms
also that many people now have a "whoring" phase in life where men and women alike will fuck a large amount of people for a decade or so
obviously there are exceptions but this isnt about those, this is about the majority/mean

also a considerable amount of cultures are polygamous which doesnt help the monogamy case either

Humans are absolutely not naturally monogamous, which is like blackpill 101. Historically, most men who reproduced did so with a large number of women.

We have scientific evidence that neither sexes of humans were meant to be naturally monogamous.
Mens penis heads are shaped like shovels to remove competitors semen. Men (and all species of mammals) experience the Coolidge effect when introduced to a new female. Women become attracted to more rugged, symmetrical and high T men when they are ovulating and at their most fertile. Even most animals who pair bond still have other sexual partners outside of their pairing.

its true. every bf ive ever had watched porn or followed instathots behind my back, even when we were having sex multiple times daily.

when i asked them they watch porn or look at other women even though im doing everything i can to please them, would always say some shit like men need a variety of womens looks, and that its not stimulating enough to have one woman. i think a lot of women can be monogamous but 95% of men definitely arent.

I'm conflicted on this. I have a bias to want to confirm any blackpill research as true, but in this case, it's ambiguous. We are certain that prehistoric humans were likely NOT polygamous, they were serially monogamous. What isn't obvious is why. It's possible that men have been brutally torturing and punishing women who cheat for half a million or more years- for example, in primitive tribes:

They would be followed, and if caught, as a punishment the girl became, for the time being, the common property of her pursuers. The couple were then brought back to the camp where, if they were of the right totem division to marry, the man would have to stand up to a trial by having spears thrown at him by the husband and his relations... and the girl was given beating by her relatives. If [the couple] were not of the right totem division to marry, they would both be speared when found, as their sin was unforgivable.

Yes, a cheating woman was gang raped repeatedly and then beaten before finallt being impaled if she could not be married to the man she cheated with. This is for a relatively uncontacted Abo tribe. There are many more examples among uncontacted or relatively uncontacted tribes, and it's reasonable to believe that women have never really been able to be polygamous.

It seems that most men throughout history may not have bred because most men died.

looking at porn is never cheating and never will be cheating, foid

Quote is from The Forest People by Colin Turnbull, a doctorate anthropologist. I still have a few books to read before I am ready to pick a side on the possibility of humans being innately polygamous, or if there is a modern environmental condition that causes polygamous behavior.

It's the noble lie. Countries with strong monogamy do better than those that don't. Polygamous countries are often unstable and violent, gang violence and wonton criminality are normal. Sure it's not natural but neither is shitting indoors, wearing clothes, using the internet, etc. But as soon as most people in a civilization well and truly ditch monogamy, you're on the fastlane to the ghettoization of your culture.

Roy Baumeister, author of Is There Anything Good About Men, claims that one third of men through history reproduced, whereas two-thirds of women did.

wonton criminality

It feels like the thread and every reply was generated by a llm

it's interesting but just makes me wonder why primitive humans were so obsessive about monogamy when modern humans, when presented with sexual abundance, tend to whore out

I read the study it was based on academic.oup.com/mbe/article/21/11/2047/1147770?login=false (as much as I could understand anyway, so the abstract, dataset, and conclusions, I know nothing about the technicals in this field) but I'm trying to find out the how and why through anthropology if at all possible. E.g., is it violence (early male death) have humans always managed polygamy, etc. From books I've already read, it seems to be more skewed towards males experiencing earlier deaths and victorious males breeding with all of the women.
The future is very, very bleak.

This is what I'm interested in.

Is there a modern environmental influence that encourages polygamy?

I'd say it seems obvious. The government rewards sexual promiscuity for women by guaranteeing the survival of all offspring, and removes the need for a male to be rich, intelligent, or capable of child rearing because society provides this for the mother. Does society's safety net provide a subconscious force on the female psychology towards promiscuity, while punishing men for preventing it? It seems so, but I'd rather have some facts to go with it just in case.

Shit, should have seen this thread an hour ago, I would've shut it down very quickly.
Anyways, I just read your title and let me end the thread for good:
Yes human are monogamous. Why? Because the more sexual experiences you have, the less you are able to love. And when you really love someone, you lose interest in just about any other girl. Some people even lose the ability to love for good once they lose the one person they fell in love with (that would be me). Irrefutable, thank you very much.

Humans are fallen, anon. A Christian should take this as a study of the fallen nature of Man, rather than Man in his Edenic state.

I am not Christian thoughever. I just like Benedict XVI

Jesus considered it cheating so yes it is.

It's possible that men have been brutally torturing and punishing women who cheat for half a million or more years

This clearly never happened, given the massive amount of women who are cheating whores. Even in Muzzie shitholes, women will risk being stoned to death just to deepthroat a different cock. Its clear that whores were never mass-punished, because their genes are so rife today.

how is it possible

Most men who reproduced did so with more than one woman. Women only want the "best" man, because they can't risk wasting nine months for offspring with traits of the less desirable man, and historically a lot of them were willing to share the best men instead of settling for the genetic dead ends.

Porn didn't exist, and Jesus is a jew, kys

27 "You have heard that it was said [a]to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

He was obviously not talking about porn lol, he didn't know what porn was
Plus he's still a jew so nothing he says should be taken seriously

It is not a binary. It is possible that cheating happened regularly, but that it was also managed. It is also possible that not every woman is necessarily a cheater. If it wasn't obvious, I am still skewed towards the blackpill side of the argument.
Very strong arguments and ones I also use.
A post I wrote 8 days ago:

From an evolutionary standpoint, a woman fundamentally cannot experience love. A woman bears an extremely high reproductive burden, and death during pregnancy or childbirth is a real problem in addition to the higher share of child-rearing a mother must do. This means that to ensure the highest reproductive fitness for her offspring, she is psychologically wired to always seek after the highest fitness males. Not cheating, from a female's point of view, is a matter of life and death--either the male she has will not be able to secure her survival, or her offspring might be lower reproductive value (thereby failing to reproduce) than the stronger and more sexually aggressive males she could choose.

Now I am in the process of debunking myself.

It's worth pointing out, though, that women's perspective on dating only makes sense from the perspective of a people under constant threat of death. In other words, the reason we have to deal with the sexual dynamics of modernity is that women have the same rationality as apes.

I will defy logic and nature, I am monogamous for my waifu
I don't care what you cuck fetishists say

Yes, it is very sad. You would be surprised to hear that your exact sentiment was stated in a book written more than 2000 years ago.

Are you talking about the Bible?

humans arent monogamous

I'm not going to read the rest of your post or the thread but it has been firmly established that testicle volume relative to body size is inversely correlated with propensity for monogamy in apes. Humans have big fucking testicles.

Aristotle.

NTA but in what book? I'm interested now

I quite like aristotle, but I've only ever read nicomachaean ethics and poetics. Politics is coming up soon on my reading list.

im starting to think that humans arent monogamous

i hate people who say that.

i hate people who say that.

I didn't say that

Idk anon I might have to ask my two gfs or the guy I have been fucking on the side now and then for their opinion. No shit we aren't a monogamous species, but the best thing one can do is practice ethical nonmanogomy.

Because there was no abundance, of anything.

One man can't provide for many women so easily.

It's really more a matter of our own evolutionary instincts fucking everything up for everyone, and people exploiting our nature - at great detriment to our happiness - to take advantage of those tribal leftovers for their own profit or agenda.

If you're not a fucked up degenerate you should crave monogamy. To be so in love with your partner that nothing else in the world matters... It's the most incredible feeling in the world. I don't understand polyamory or cheating at all. If your partner isn't enough for you, why stay? Also raising children in a poly house is absolute shite which is pretty telling.

How do you not develop a preference towards one of them and how do you deal with the inevitable jealousy? I was once in a poly relationship and it sucked so hard. My ex would constantly favor others over me and I couldn't say anything about it or else she'd get mad, it was torture.