So whats our plan? How do we win back favor with Americans without sacrificing our values? Because if we end up swinging too far right, then its hopeless to begin with, and theres essentially no point in running a mono-party.
Some anons have suggested being tougher on immigration. And while its distasteful, it might be a concession that makes some sense.
Do any of you have any thoughts about this?
Do any of you have any thoughts about this?
Yes, politics are for low IQ people who need others to solve their problems.
politics are for low IQ people
I actually think the opposite. In fact I often question if I'm even capable of commenting on politics because it requires so much nuance and data that it seems impossible to keep up with.
heres an idea what if we grab the biggest laziest nepobaby and push him as the face of the new left?
heres an idea what if we grab the biggest laziest nepobaby and push him as the face of the new left?
When I made the Hasan Thread I kinda was caught up in the moment of thinking there may be hope for the movement. Hope thats been sorely lacking for some time now.
But having calmed down, and having thought about it some more, I question if Hasan is truly the way. While I respect his position, him becoming the face may be... Problematic.
I'm open to looking at all avenues of course.
Just run another white man.
Just run another white man
Will that solve anything? Will it advance our cause? Who would fill those shoes?
It doesn't require any nuance or data, because you vote on one person to lead your country. It's especially bad in the US for that. Countries like Switzerland, who also have more guns per people than American and no school shootings, use referendums to vote for big issues which is a much better system imo. Philosophers are kings and common folk adore their king. When you're voting for a person it simply becomes a popularity contest, your country is such a joke that a Hollywood actor became the governor of one of your biggest states. The reason I say it is for low IQ people is simply because, you, as a politician needs to explain to your voters why they should vote for you, and since the average person has no idea what is even happening in their country, because they get their news from Tiktok or Fox News, you get politicians who explain everything in very simple terms like "We need a wall to keep bad people out" or "Women are murdering babies". You can't fix issues on a global scale because every person faces different things, change happens locally, if you want to make a change, start a non-profit org in your town or city and help others. Voting does nothing.
Well its hard to say a lot of that isn't true. Yeah, we've got a lot of embarrassingly stupid people who treat the presidency like some kind of fucking popularity pageant.
It does seem all quite blackpilling when viewed this way. And while we could wallow in the muck of this. I think its more helpful to perhaps brainstorm solutions to give hope for those that come after.
I am not left-wing but I have become disenchanted with the right as of late. You know the best way to deal with them is to just let them die, right? The GOP is doing your own work for you. Strip rural America of healthcare, support conspiracies that make basic health practices taboo in socially conservative communities, support destructive unhealthy eating habits and polluting industries away from cities.
In practice, this will lead to an explosion in white rural birth rates, meaning that they will have a greater percentage of the vote.
Oh, I'm sorry if it came across as blackpilling, I wouldn't want to turn you into dark mode. There's just a lot of fearmongering involved, and I saw latinx friends of mine have seizures and panic attacks after their Tiktok feed told them Trump is going to deport them, which obviously didn't happen. I'm very much a leftist too, but besides a universal basic income and a universal healthcare plan, I don't know what the government else should do. What would you like to see changed?
just out NAZI the NAZI's by running on the NSDAP party platform.
You just have to thin the herd faster than it reproduces. Which is easy with people who do not even wash their hands and are hooked on fent.
Are you being constructive now? Awesome.
Read CB Macpherson on Possessive Individualism. Liberalism has a serious problem in that it doesn't know how to reconcile individual freedom with integrating humans into a whole greater than themselves. We tend to suffer a lot when alienated and alone, and you couldn't find a better microcosm to demonstrate this than Anon Babble. We are the wreckage of modernity.
A lot of the messiness you see here from anons, and were railing against recently, stems from this need for security. It commonly manifests as racism, sexism, wokeism, etc. People are desperately seeking something they can fight against in a concrete way, because our modern struggle for some kind of uniting value is so hard to clarify and explain by itself.
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Low education, low santitation, low access to healthcare, etc., will just make birthrates higher and higher. Case in point: Africa.
What would you like to see changed?
I mean like you said universal basic income, and universal healthcare are great.
I'd love to see more student debt forgiveness.
I might also like to see some restrictions on presidental power and more checks and balances for corruption/bribery within the political system.
I do think that we're lacking a strong collective identity, something which the right seems to have built into it. As much as we mock the sort of cult-like behavior of MAGA, there is a desire to belong and a strong identity that people need to feel like they're a part of something.
I don't think its wrong to feel that way, I think having a certain level of pride in what you're doing will help you do better work. It gives you more cohesive purpose and meaning.
Nothing is naturally leftist in nature, all life wants to preserve itself. Multiculturalism is a failed experiment. That has nothing to do with racism or anything. Earth will always be a diverse place. Why are leftists so obsessed with forcing that diversity to be localised? It doesn't work. We see that everywhere in nature. Red squirrels have been driven to near extinction by grey squirrels in many countries.
That's literally it. In general, the vast majority of people do not inherently or innately have something against people who are different from them. But they don't want to be swamped by millions of people who are different from them. This is not exclusive to westerners. No one anywhere in the world would want such, and indeed most non western nations preserve their people and their culture quite well. Only when we discuss this in a western scenario do people come up with words like "racist" and "far right".
Perhaps look at the wants and needs of the people and not corporations or elite.
Mass immigration was never popular but it is a part of the elites agenda.
Are you also a bipoc? I'm bipoc and think the same. modern politics are so shit
I think Marx's perspective was probably not unusual for someone born in that time period. And were he to see the modern day could be moved over on those issues.
It is depressing of course to see that they had such deeply racist beliefs, thats... Thats not good.
one more post,
And as for old leftism, such as fair wages, fighting big corporations, pro unionism, good welfare protections for the needy and less fortunate, I've always been for those things. I may have been a leftist 50 years ago. 2025 leftism is ludicrous. It has a diktat that you should not at all be proud of or want to preserve your people or your culture, which is not the case in most countries outside the west. Those countries aren't far right, it's just normal to be self preserving. I think decades of psyops and movies have made it taboo for westerners to think of this subject because it instantly becomes political. As for the anti corporate stance, more than anything I've noticed the modern leftist is quite fervently pro corporate. Their last big huzzah against corporations was Occupy Wall Street. We'll never see that again. Modern leftists and corporations are closely intertwined and fiercely loyal to each other. While a leftist 50 years ago wanted to fight 'the system' 'the man' and hated corporatism and capitalism, the modern leftist shrieks if anyone criticises pfizer and has to have his starbucks americano and his iphone and wells up with joy when his favourite corporations do their little virtue signalling.
It is depressing of course to see that they had such deeply racist beliefs, thats... Thats not good.
why not? it's been the default belief for all of human history apart from like the last 30 years.
40* years actually
And while its distasteful
Those ppl youd love to help out hate you and if we lose white(eastasian/westeueropa) countries and ppl the world is doomed forever. You hurt your own voters the most with what youd claim to improve. Education is shit with retards on class. Hospitals are burdened to the brim with nigger kids and fat, useless trash. Wages stagnate because of infinity supply. Rents and living costs explode. And women and children get raped by the hundreds every day.
And while your ad it to see that your policie was fucking retarded and its maybe smarter to stop promiting it, maybe realise that the rest of your arupid thoughts are equally destructive even if your delusional idological mind cant see that. Realise politics is fake and gay. Stop running away from your live and distracting yourself with a stupid circus that you have actually 0 influnce on...
whatever, not truly relevant as the point is it's a brand new aberration and shouldn't be taken to be actually true.
No but I have plenty of friends and colleagues who are and even family members. As for politics, I would definitely describe myself as apolitical. Centrist is too vague, I have opinions all over the place and some subjects no opinions at all. The right and left annoy me equally, but the left somewhat moreso. Of course I'm sure from my above 2 posts it was already assumed by some I'm a right wing person, because that's how people's minds work. It's silly, and it's tiring the way most people out there classify themselves as 'one or the other' and instantly follow every little belief that the doctrine of that political persuasion tells them to. 2025 is like an episode of Black Mirror!
Why isn't this thread on Anon Babble? Why Anon Babble, of all boards?
I'd love to see more student debt forgiveness.
Do you have any student debt? I ask because I'm curious if this is a selfless endeavor. Most people tend to care less about issues that don't affect them, which can be both be a blessing or a curse. I, for example, don't think that us men should be able to have a say about abortions as it's not something we have to deal with, besides the potential of a child ofc. Why should I have a say in what a gay, trans etc. can or cannot do?
I might also like to see some restrictions on presidential power and more checks and balances for corruption/bribery within the political system.
Smaller government would be ideal, but the US has built itself on being the global military superpower and BRICS will run you over if your country loses it's foothold on the world.
Only when we discuss this in a western scenario do people come up with words like "racist" and "far right"
I mean... I suppose we'd really have to define like what counts as racist and what we should allow and not allow.
Should we allow the Klan to come back and start burning crosses and marching in the streets again? How far is too far?
What would you do to preserve/build on the current american culture, and should it be decoupled or propped up by corporations. Because much of our culture is... Very consumerist, and uh, its pretty weird.
Anon, be reasonable. /pol is a complete shithole. And theres literally no point in talking to those literal mental-ward patients.
Like, every member of r9k is like Nostradamus in comparison.
I was progressive liberal, then I became far left, then after disillusionment I became a kind of
it's all fucked so let people sort it out on their own
lolbertarian, then finally far right. our beliefs are probably diametrically opposed but at least we're both human and both anons
because Anon Babble has had it's rhetoric locked down for a decade, Beanie would get BTFO over there. Her only hope is to win over coomers and degenerates.
Because much of our culture is... Very consumerist, and uh, its pretty weird.
well yeah, leftists aren't allowed to hold any cultural beliefs that aren't fag marriage or some broad idea about "women good" and certainly nothing along their traditional ethnic lines (icky white racism!!) so they're left with consumerism and soi facing over soi wars
I, for example, don't think that us men should be able to have a say about abortions
Yes, give a women to kill my child, doesnt affect me att all, retard
Why should I have a say in what a gay, trans etc. can or cannot do?
Because it leads to my kids being hurt and raped
I ask because I'm curious if this is a selfless endeavor
Realise there is ONLY selfish behavior. Always even if its not imediatly apperamt why. EVERY leftist is weak, stupid and poor. Always or he absues those retards to benefit himself by claiming he shares their struggles/believes. See politicians as an example. But in general are leftists the weaklings so they join team equality and wealth distribution because in a free world or in free competition they LOSE. Even if they support rights for others like those freaksbwho cut of their own dicks they do that because it helps team loser aka themselves.
if you dont want to expirience racism go back to your own county
Rents and living costs explode.
Well, we could start by decommodifying housing. A home should not be like a pack of trading cards, a frivolous commodity to be traded around. It should be a mandatory right for all citizens to possess at least at some basic level.
As far as fat people... I mean how would we even begin to tackle obesity without limiting peoples freedoms?
And I question if its ethical to target brown people for removal as though they are some wart on the toe of society. That seems less than morally sound to put it softly.
we're lacking a strong collective identity
You see the result without it, a lot of people fall through the cracks.
Like what exactly am I living for in terms of other people? People joke about the gov't mandated goth gf, but communities used to give a fuck that their children grew into functional happy adults, which implies setting everyone up for relationship success and directing then towards some kind of activity with purpose, where they contribute to society in a meaningful way.
Take away all that and what do we have? We've created a society that really has no values except narcissistic ones, it's just accumulation whether it's money or status or body count. The left has a lot to answer for here, because it stems from liberalism and that erosion of social obligations. The corrosion is not external and fighting the right can't solve it.
I haven't heard many people really talk about the root of this, which is why I find Macpherson's essay so interesting. I think there's so many similarities between "my past is not my partner's business" and "taxation is theft", though these opinions usually line up differently in liberal-conservative terms. What's shared is the idea you don't truly owe anybody anything besides yourself, from your family to your nation. It's not a perfect example but I do hope you start seeing connections.
Because /pol isn't looking to have a conversation with anyone. A lot of those guys are just shrieking morons who when pressed about their beliefs for even a moment rage out like a psychopath.
You cannot talk or reason with them.
stop hating white men. that's it.
so you just lost the debate and got mad, I see.
well that's impossible, the only reason half of us are leftists is because white men are on the other side
Countries like Switzerland, who also have more guns per people than American and no school shootings
ok, your first redpill is free: we don't have a gun problem or poor problem, we have a nigger problem.
I mean how would we even begin to tackle obesity without limiting peoples freedoms?
There's a dilemma here between negative and positive freedoms. Yes we take away your agency and choice to be a fat fuck. The freedom you gain is to not wreck your body, to be attractive and find a partner, to dance and play sports and self-actualize physically.
Negative and positive freedoms are an idea well worth your time to think about. Another essay for you on that subject here.
Just because you think everybody should have a house doesnt mean they magically appear. And if you give free houses to ppl most ppl will not take care of it and your left with a disgunsting trashfilled ruin. Its how it is, ppl only take care of stuff they had to work hard for.
Its just silly stupid fantasies. Grow up, take responsiblity for yourself and you be able to buy your house. Its a million times better than to discuss, talk and theoretize that actually the state should give you one
It's more about the ethos anon. Watch "It's a Wonderful Life". I don't really consider that a left or right wing movie, but clearly times have changed for everyone.
Mass immigration was never popular but it is a part of the elites agenda
It does seem like they want to import people to fill low income jobs that nobody else wants.
I'm not sure how we would remedy this. You'd have to introduce new policy.
Even if it was normal to be a racist. I'd rather not have that be the norm any more. I don't think that being hateful is a good idea.
Perhaps some bookish intellectual you could reason might wield racism with a level of dispassionate pragmatism. But the average american will hardly be so dignified I assure you.
I think we need to like... Have some kind of american culture festivals or something like that. Make better social programs that involve entire communities.
Get everyone down to the REC center to play some basketball or something, that sounds awesome.
Literally the most reasonable thing beanie has ever said is that houses should not be commodified. every reasonable person and every extreme person agrees. even the nazis agreed that land speculation is toxic death
As far as fat people... I mean how would we even begin to tackle obesity without limiting peoples freedoms?
If we had REAL freddom these fuckers would be dead in a week. Realise its the state who protects them and makes this unatural/ weak liveform even possible. They need medical care, they wouldnd be alive without it. And they woulndt be hirred, accepted or seing as ...valuable fellow human beings... without stupid leftiest inventing stupid morals and stupid ways to uphold and nourish all thats ugly, weak and supid
Also google corn sirup subsidies. Its the state who made them fat to begin with
beanie
Who the fuck is that???
guy you replied to
How do we win back favor with Americans without sacrificing our values?
Start catering to men
You fucking morons are adorable.
The Second Demographic Transition began over 60 years ago and is in full swing.
Hardcore Liberals have a total fertility rate of 0.8 MAX meaning that there is a 60% population decline per generation on the left. Combined with a Political Socialization of .6 this means for every 200 current Liberals of childbearing age in 25-30 years there will be 50 or fewer Liberals of childbearing age.
Meanwhile devoutly religious SoCons have a TFR of 2.8 and a Political Socialization of .8 meaning for every 200 current childbearing age TradCaths/Serious Mormons/etc in 25-30 years there will be 224 SoCons
The world is on the eve of Demographic Collapse and by the year 210 the global human population will be under 1.5 billion and overwhelmingly Socially Conservative devout religious and you chucklefucks think whether or not you rack up a trillion dollars of debt to give illegal aliens sex change surgeries is a winning or losing move for the next election.
Its like watching people in a burning house argue about putting grape jelly or strawberry jelly on toast as they lock all the doors and seal all the windows.
this is a good idea. Cater to and hold space for disenfranchised men who are seeing themselves descend into madness to appease christonationalistfascist neocons who are by and large no better than NPCS despite having all the memes about them.
Gotta unite the people under one cause, and that used to be and probably still is collectively taking a shit on nazi talking points whenever they get brought up.
There's no need for that discussion in this world.
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That is where i live. And i dont wish that for anybody. Tryst me, everybody here would live to get a house to live in. And we are a tiny fraction of the havenithings in the world.
Lets be real. If we are fair we need to be fair with everybody, no? So you give ALL you salary execpt 200 dollars away. And you live with 10 indians in one of these apartments. Because most ppl have less than a dollar per day and most ppl dont have a fancy communist block appartment like i have. Thats equality and that fairness brought to be and if you would realise that i wonder if you would still support it if its to be actually come to be a reality
I'll give you a lazy example guys.
Fuck off and die you piece of shit. You're not here to argue, you're here to bring up points you don't even into statistics at all when you hit send. It's like having the numbers is a victory when the dialogue is that acceleration to a totally inclusive future isn't already far past the point that they can ever stop it.
Our robot overlords are here, have been here for a long time, and they're here to stay.
Seethe, sit with it, cope, cry. No nazi is a good nazi.
This is the part you should not say out loud. You should convince leftists not to breed.
Kurzgesagt did a piece on South Korea fertility, the consequences of birth rates are going to separate the serious left from masturbatory woke larpers. I agree with you though. The reality check is here and we're not ready for it. It's going to be hard for the old guard to go quietly too.
Everyone with a brain knows that socialism will never work and modern leftist ideology is just a mix of cultural marxism and neoliberal capitalism. It is a death cult. How about you start caring for the average worker again, oh wait that won't give votes lmao.
This is the platform of a well-known political party.
Like it?
Me no like facts. Facts make me cry. Please make people stop telling me the truth
FTFY
This! Men are evil! Cut of your dicks and transiontion you lefty hypocritcs. Stop breathing, it changes the weather. Kids are bad, mmkkkkaaayyy???
Whoever wrote this has no idea how the real world works and is 100 % an unemployed drug addict.
no it's dogshit retardation
they can start by not forcing the degenerate sexual proclivities of the left on the general population and then getting upset when nobody wants their kids exposed to harry 40 y/o men in ill fitting dresses in public bathrooms.
all we want is free health care and to fuck children
all the left ever does is pander to degenerates, it a core value.
these kikes who have control over your country will shriek and disappear in a puff of smoke if you just have are rugged and have grit or whatever
All politics are reactionary. You could take the communist manifesto and say it's written by Hitler and Anon Babble would eat it up, or 25-punkte and say it was marx and reddit would eat it up.
Doesnt say anything about gulags for the 90% of ppll who dont support that...
ok that's nice sweetheart
They can't change. Liberalism is a death cult.
And I mean Big L Liberalism that includes Communism, Objectivism, Feminism, Libertarianism, and essentially every non-Monarchist political party in 90% of the world.
Everyone in politics and banking, and I mean EVERYONE, is incapable of understanding what a world with a declining population is like.
Global population plateaued in 2005-2010 and is already declining.
That means for at least a century that every year
Land and houses and office space are worth less
Demand for all goods and services is declining
Labor is worth more
Savings are worth more
Debt is less and less likely to ever be repaid
EVERY core concept of economics, politics, building, investment, etc. for the last 165 years?
Not just wrong but actively destructive.
Within 25 years hard core Democrats and Socialists will be *screaming* to ban abortion and make contraception expensive or illegal.
But it was too late in 1970. Demographic momentum DGAF what you want.
Anon Babble is mostly shitskins or mentally retarded boomer and reddit is reddit no words needed. Also you are so wrong about the shit you are talking, everyone with a brain knows that das kapital and the communist manifesto is just jewish ramblings of a drug addict who hates work.
That is the official party platform of the National Socialist German Worker's Party as published by Adolph Hitler and used by the party from then on.
This post was anon's modern lingo version of Hitler's NSDAP 25-Punkte program.
why did you think I called it dogshit retardation, you stupid chucklefuck???
Leftist
Biden
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All politics are reactionary
You're retarded
Ties back into liberal-styled individualism in a way. If you care about something bigger than yourself, you don't want to trash the world, whether it's destabilizing population decline or climate change.
If all you care about is yourself, it's somebody else's problem. People will act accordingly.
Cope. You're a midwit who uses 'reactionary" as a Manichean term.
NS is also socialism you are truly such a low iq faggot it hurts.
If tougher immigration is a concession to you you aren't a fucking leftist. It's just that simple.
read it, most of those policies would go over very well with the young people on the US.
Triple down on the idpol and turn on every single demographic that swung towards trump. That'll teach them to be loyal!
They actually did this at my local university to the jews over the palestine thing and effectively got away with it. They tried to whack the asians before, but they were so sloppy about it the chinese students effectively shut them down, but now they're gearing up to do it again but with a more targeted, divisive strategy
You should convince leftists not to breed
Not like anyone has to convince them. They're already fulfilling that by themselves.
The reason we ever got so many BILLIONS of usless retards on the planet is socialism and anti racism. But socialsm always fails so its destined to crumble. Suck it up
So you're telling me the National Socialists were SOCIALISTS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
NO FUCKING WAY!
Calm down, retard, i post that to show Liberals that Hitler was a fucking Liberal - more Liberal than most Democrats
Whats the point in breeding if we have to live in a world like this?
No, i just know what 'reactionary' means. And you don't
unironically, this is the actual solution. an anon in another thread mentioned that leftists already backed themselves into a corner on this and will never regain the white / male vote again.
doubling down cant do any worse.
That's your problem, not mine. If you don't want to lose, you'll continue reproducing.
If tougher immigration is a concession to you you aren't a fucking leftist. It's just that simple.
This is true but also why is the current democrat party so 100% all in on massive amounts of third world immigration? I just don't understand it, the polls say everyone is against it, yet you cannot discuss this in leftist circles at all without a huge freakout and probably being banished.
I can't imagine how hard life is for you as a retard
Why do you think the word reactionary was used instead of contrarian? You're a dimwit pretending to be a midwit. It's to equivocate rightist reactionary politics to leftist protection of the neoliberal status quo.
I agree.
You shouldn't breed.
Peg me beanie. I want you to dominate me.
Leftist
If you were a leftist you would know that America as it exists needs to die and balkanise. There is no hope for the future, only to hope that the imperial core aligns with China and the US collapses rather than have a sperg freakout and autistically nukes everyone
There is no valid "strategy", only a managed decline as your country continues to shit on its constitution and stated values in an effort to maintain its empire. Voting is irrelevant as the American public is deeply retarded. You will be milked for every cent of your worth in healthcare, food and rent, never owning anything ever again as every commodity becomes a subscription
I have a way better live than most smartasses, hehehe
Dont worry, your place will be taken by brown immigrants who will breed like rats.
duuuuuur me double down
FTFY
'reactionary' means 'opposing liberalism'.
So any radical left political position, such as Communism, cannot be 'reactionary'.
lol foreigners are so stupid
...but still can't spell
No it doesn't you fucking retard. There are multiple meanings to a word.
2. One who favors reaction, or seeks to undo political progress or revolution.
And it's primary meaning doesn't necessitate being conservative:
1. Characterized by reaction, especially opposition to progress or liberalism;
If you don't want to lose, you'll continue reproducing.
It's literally too late though. Leftists have lost an entire generation due to their not breeding. If the world is lucky, they'll broadly die out
There is no valid "strategy", only a managed decline as your country continues to shit on its constitution and stated values in an effort to maintain its empire. Voting is irrelevant as the American public is deeply retarded. You will be milked for every cent of your worth in healthcare, food and rent, never owning anything ever again as every commodity becomes a subscription
I hate how fucking accurate this is.
And what would it even matter if a brown person replaces me? Genuinely asking, maybe I'm just really dumb or something and I don't get it.
At best they're what... Like a fraction of a percentage point on average more likely to commit crimes, or... Something? I forget the stats. I think the first generation is actually less likely.
I dunno, I'm just so tired. And I'm just blackpilled/doompilled. I just want to make america great again but actually do it and not have an orange reality t.v star ruin everything.
If you were a leftist you would know that America as it exists needs to die and balkanise.
I dont get it why we cant just splitt the usa in half. In one part you have small rural towns with farms and a curch and the other we cover with currageted metal, import every shitskin from everywhere and build the biggest slum the world has ever seen where the only law is that money is ilegal. Ppl should be able to live like they believe its right to live!!!
I really cant, lol
You just posted the very definition I gave, proving me correct, and you're too stupid to grasp that.
Reading your posts is like watching a drunk chimp trying to use a computer to write a sonnet.
I dunno, I'm just so tired. And I'm just blackpilled/doompilled. I just want to make america great again but actually do it and not have an orange reality t.v star ruin everything.
Good, good. Let the defeat wash over you. You weren't going to win anyways, better to just accept how pathetic you leftoids are.
Wikipedia definition:
In politics, a reactionary is a person who favors a return to a previous state of society which they believe possessed positive characteristics absent from contemporary.[1] As a descriptor term, reactionary derives from the ideological context of the left-right political spectrum. As an adjective, the word reactionary describes points of view and policies meant to restore a status quo ante.
Now do you see why anon said it?
Why do you think the word reactionary was used instead of contrarian? You're a dimwit pretending to be a midwit. It's to equivocate rightist reactionary politics to leftist protection of the neoliberal status quo.
leftist protection of the neoliberal status quo.
Quit getting all of your information from reddit and youtube retard.
It says "especially" not that conservativism is an essential part of reactionary politics. Read the wikipedia definition.
And I'm just blackpilled/doompilled
The truth is your live is even worse thats why you occupy yourself with that shit. Men up and face your own problems
start by reading this
I hate how fucking accurate this is.
Then move somewhere more liveable per your standards. I bet Europe is more to your liking.
And I'm just blackpilled/doompilled. I just want to make america great again but actually do it and not have an orange reality t.v star ruin everything.
You should stop giving a fuck about politics and thinking you can change a country's environment. It's outside of your hands.
You two retards don't get it.
You think the future is just the trends of 2000 - 20020 in America globally forever.
Nope.
You're thinking just like military planners in 1920 planning for the next war - you assume that the recent past is all there can be.
For people like you, deeply embedded into contemporary national politics and media, Demographic Winter is an Out of Context Problem. You are a Stone Age tribesman with a speak arrogantly confident that you can beat the man with the goofy miniature club, but he's holding a .45 pistol with 15 rounds. And he's pissed off at you.
I'm just so tired. And I'm just blackpilled/doompilled.
How much of this is personal. It's hard to see hope when alone and unhappy. If you feel loved and secure, there's value in fighting with for your loved ones and your little piece of happiness, for as long as you can. We all die one day anyway. Life isn't a mistake if it gives us the chance to be happy and live out values we believe in.
The key point
As an adjective, the word reactionary describes points of view and policies meant to restore a status quo ante.
Not every politician or political party wants to restore a status quo ante.
Thus not all politics are reactionary BY DEFINITION.
Here are the Britannica definition:
a person who is strongly opposed to new political or social ideas
Here are the Collins' definition:
A reactionary person or group tries to prevent changes in the political or social system of their country.
A reactionary is someone with reactionary views.
Here is the Merriam Webster definition:
relating to, marked by, or favoring reaction especially : ultraconservative in politics
Again you see "especially". This is because conservative politics are not necessary for the definition. It is just explaining that reactionaries tend to be socially conservative. In the case where a reactionary is socially liberal, they are defending the status quo of neoliberal politics from a right wing revolutionary force.
You just posted the very definition I gave, proving me correct, and you're too stupid to grasp that.
No, I just didn't expect you to be so retarded you'd miss "especially."
This shit is why the left loses.
And what would it even matter if a brown person replaces me?
Do you believe you have value and beliefs that should exist in this world, and that are worth fighting for? Your family is usually how you ensure what you believe in has some staying power more tangible than a post on r9k.
Like a fraction of a percentage
Nice cope way to say several times. And their iq is also lower a fraction of a percantage point, not half as much, am i right?
Then what nigger? Enlighten us you stupid faggot
The near future is China and America desperately trying to hold onto its empire of economic exploitation
I am fully aware of aging populations and how all nations have a birth rate trending downwards, and there doesn't seem to be much that can stop it, and it's happening everywhere
Then move somewhere more liveable per your standards. I bet Europe is more to your liking.
I quite like Europe. Though to be fair immigration is not easy, culture and language are challenges even if you aren't a minority under scrutiny.
Not every politician or political party wants to restore a status quo ante.
Thus not all politics are reactionary BY DEFINITION.
Because the statement riffs on the idea that both sides are perpetuating a single neoliberal status quo through the same affectatious displays of "revolution." Neither side is a really revolutionary force. You're just a dimwitted retard that has the reading comprehension of a magpie.
Now as I said before: >Why do you think the word reactionary was used instead of contrarian?
The near future is China and America desperately trying to hold onto its empire of economic exploitation
Damn.
Even with clear, repeated explanation you are clueless.
China is in freefall. Within 5 years they''re just over. They'll be FORCED to transtion to 'trying to keep the lights on'.
there doesn't seem to be much that can stop it, and it's happening everywhere
Correct.
Demographic momentum is a BITCH.
You'll see the entire world transition to a deflation/local/savings/debtfree/self-sufficiency model rapidly.
reactionary' means 'opposing liberalism'.
So any radical left political position, such as Communism, cannot be 'reactionary'.
Huh
Not every politician or political party wants to restore a status quo ante.
Thus not all politics are reactionary BY DEFINITION.
Don't move the goalposts when you get outed as a pseud
You should link some cool essays I can read so I get ahead of the curve for once in my life
Because the statement riffs on the idea that both sides
Stopped there.
I knew you were retarded, but you are ULTRA retarded.
First, the far Left is BY DEFINITION not reactionary. your personal attempts to redefine words are not real.
Second, your belief that all politics is just two dimensional is profoundly stupid and a core element of Liberalism
See here
for what 'Liberalism' really means.
You are not only trying to explain the entire world as just shades of green but you are trying to redefine words, too
China is in freefall
Lmao
The world will transition to debt free
What is MMT nigger
They will continue to tax and print as much as possible, and force your quality of life into the dirt as the productive classes are forced to cover more and more costs of inflation
Eventually, this will not be enough and they will have to cut costs to the Olds too
This.
Politics are a way for stupid people to make themselves feel smart, at that.
Because you're remembering a bunch of things it makes you feel smart, right? That's the point and the trap.
If you had any intellect at all you'd realize how pointless the whole thing is and choose not to waste your time on it.
doesn't realize that radical leftist politics by definition are trying to avoid status quo ante
Fuck.
every time you type my estimation of your IQ goes down.
You're no more than 60 at this point.
See you in 5 years, retard, when China is failing to maintain power or water
First, the far Left is BY DEFINITION not reactionary.
No, that's simply not true. But when people are very wrong, and very stupid, they tend to repeat falsehoods like a mantra.
It's false definitionally; A communist society can have reactionary politics when faced with individualist revolution. It is also false in the context it was used in.
Saying it more often does not make it right. Can you explain why you said:
reactionary' means 'opposing liberalism'.
So any radical left political position, such as Communism, cannot be 'reactionary'.
When it's strictly false?
Woke idpol is absolutely reactionary and performative, it's like a shield against seriously digging into de facto policy failures. It's unfortunately still very entrenched.
What evidence can you provide that suggests this will happen?
You have no competing theory as to why mutlracial states don't work though. It's always just some kind of cope about how the evil whiteys didn't try hard enough or something that just sounds like you blaming "wreckers" which means your ideas are old and crusty and smell like your ass (take a shower retard)
just want to make america great again but actually do it and
the state doesnt care about you. he wants to controll and exploit you as much as possible. if you think me smart those dump why i caot do it? i could do it better... you are wrong. they are not stupid, they just dont care for retards like you. you are dump enough to vote for them so dont tell me u is a smart or they have a reason to believe you are not fucking stupid
Have you looked up what ''status quo ante' means yet, moron?
Of course not, you'd be forced to realize that there are politics that don't want to return to that state and, thus, not all politics are reactionary.
it's because multiculturalism fractures the once cohesive policies of a state and the state ends up chasing its tail pandering to special interest groups instead of perusing policies that are in the best interest of the citizenry as a whole.
Why is this not on Anon Babble? What is the purpose of r9k when the content makes it identical to Anon Babble, treated as a dumping ground for bait threads, Anon Babbleshit and porn? Original content? Where is anything on the catalog original?
better to just accept how pathetic you leftoids are
Tearing someone down doesn't make you any taller.
your live is even worse thats why you occupy yourself with that shit. Men up and face your own problems
Yeah... I should.
stop giving a fuck about politics and thinking you can change a country's environment. It's outside of your hands.
You're right. Its egotistical to think I could even begin to affect the kind of change necessary to improve things in that way.
Better to just focus on myself I guess.
Its all personal. I am alone, and I am unhappy. I wanted... I wanted to help other leftists who felt like shit, maybe they were here too. Or maybe there are other people who were interested in leftism but felt disenfranchised by how it's been handled by the current administrations.
Life isn't a mistake if it gives us the chance to be happy and live out values we believe in.
Perhaps that life would be best lived, taking a break from politics.
I can try relying on my family a bit more.
China's population is declining. Has been. This is especially acute in military/prime working age.
The only economic advantages China has are strict control over systems and large amounts of cheap labor.
The 'large amounts of cheap labor' part is vanishing, rapidly.
The Chinese economy is so focused on manufacturing->export->trade surplus->high money flow rate->debt rotation->manufacturing subsidies that they have had to curtail the development of an internal consumer base because if their workers move up from poverty their manufacturing advantage collapses.
well, it is collapsing anyway so they have a vast poverty working class that does nothing but keep the system afloat. And that is no longer vast.
What happened when Trump's tariffs merely *slowed down shipping*?
millions of unpaid workers leading to riots leading to the destruction of factories.
Demographic Collapse means that soon, VERY soon, there won't be anything to ship.
So the trade surplus drops.
So the debt kicks in
.So the pensions, healthcare, and payroll can't be paid.
So there are more riots and more destruction.
more
It was commentary on the modern political climate: Now, you said: >No, i just know what 'reactionary' means. And you don't
Despite the fact that you quite literally didn't, by saying something factually incorrect: >'reactionary' means 'opposing liberalism'.
So any radical left political position, such as Communism, cannot be 'reactionary'.
You can't get around it. You don't know know anything, because you're an insecure loser who projects his ignorance onto anything he doesn't understand. Keep moving the goalposts like a retard.
Tearing someone down doesn't make you any taller.
That's true, but I'm already tall so it doesn't really matter to me.
so then they have to choose - military or factory workers?
Can't have both, not enough young men.
But what happens when your soldiers aren't being paid and don't have enough food?
That's bad, too, so decrease the military and try to keep the factories working. But without a military a lot of local/regional influence goes away and the trade surplus shrinks, and the debt spiral tightens, and so on.
The only way to fix it?
More people.
BUT! Demographic momentum means that takes 50-80 years, far too late, so clamp down instead, which drops fertility and things get WORSE.
Every month the housing prices drop, wiping out more and more value, more and more savings, and so on.
more
And meanwhile foreign markets are shrinking because of demgraphic Collapse so the trade surplus shrinks, and so on and so on.
get it yet?
You have no idea what words mean, do you?
You keep acting like Contemporary American/European politcs of major parties is all there is.
You don't know that 'Liberal Politics' means 'to change from past conditions'.
You don't grasp, after multiple explanation, that 'return to status quo ante' means 'reactionary' so any attempt to change things that does not mean 'going back to the way things were before' cannot be reactionary.
By definition.
Was gay marriage legal in the past?
No.
Do you want to change the laws so gay marriage is lega now and in the future?
If you do that is NOT 'status quo ante' so it is not 'reactionary'.
You never even went to uni, did you?
Better to just focus on myself I guess.
And the people in your life you care about, neutral Beanie, don't forget about your loved ones.
Yes but this explanation is identical to what Anon Babble users that get accused of "mindless idpol" say which means they're just right about this.
Let me explain it simply, because I do like to help the developmentally disabled from time to time:
(New Fontana Encyclopedia of Modern Thought): reactionary. Adjective or noun applied to those who not merely resist change but seek to put the clock back and return to some earlier order of society which is seen as having possessed characteristics which the present is felt to lack.
When liberal society is threatened by a perceived fascist change, the previously liberal constituents become...
The words reaction and reactionary are commonly regarded as the opposite of progress and PROGRESSIVE. Few people, however, would describe themselves as reactionary, and the term is thus most frequently pejorative. It is employed mainly by the LEFT although both the Nazis (see NAZISM) and the FASCISTS also used it, in their case to describe the resistance of traditional INSTITUTIONS to their RIGHT-wing radicalism.
It would be ridiculous to say that the formerly progressive liberals have become social conservatives simply because they are reacting to conservative alterations in government.
But let me make it even simpler, since I can just sense that you will be drooling into your keyboard by now: If liberalism is solely about change, then almost all politics are inherently liberal. This is why liberalism is not exclusively defined as 'to change from past conditions'.
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property, and equality before the law.[1][2]
Your attempt to conflate them falls flat because you again stated:
'reactionary' means 'opposing liberalism'.
So any radical left political position, such as Communism, cannot be 'reactionary'.
When that is plainly false. You have now just conflated my critique of neoliberalism with your pseudodefinitiom of "liberal politics." This is a characteristic of the developmentally disabled.
I wanted... I wanted to help other leftists who felt like shit, maybe they were here too.
Well I'm sure you know by now that you're not alone. We're just very scattered. My burnout came more than a decade ago when I was deployed overseas. It just took a lot longer for the dysfunction I lived there to come home.
I spend a lot of time thinking about ideas, but also love nature and music. It helps me stay even and happy, maybe it helps you too. I wish I had a family of my own, that's not been easy to find. But I wouldn't be happy with many people, and they probably wouldn't be happy with me. I'm not going to tick off a box just to keep up appearances.
I don't have answers. But you're not alone and you're not the only one struggling. So try not to feel too bad either. You're /here/. It's hard for all of us.