Can anyone explain how transgenderism works in a physicalist worldview?

I feel like OP was hyping himself for half an hour proofreading it like he just figured some cosmic law
Anon Babblefags get the rope

just as we cannot be born the wrong sex.

You can be born as a boy/girl in everyway except for the brain's connectome, which emulates in the opposite direction.
Not that different from how neurodivergency exists.

if you give male rats estrogen at a certain point in utero, they will behave as female rats for the rest of their life. presenting their ass for male rats to mount them, etc

but you understand that that's not an argument that they are the opposite sex, but rather that theyre just gay men right?
its not possible for a man to be a woman or a woman to be a man
its also way too basic to call test the male hormone and estrogen the female hormone, since both genders have both hormones.
in the last few decades, theyve tried many times to find physical explanations in neurology and biology for transgenderism but still no proper explanation, humans have researched each chromosome in the dna but havent found any such thing as the transgender gene, but theyve found genes that correlate to many different disorders
im not just talking about dna, im talking about the overall instruction set that makes the human develop, this can be dna, rna, chromosome etc, the overall building block of life.
ive never seen a human mutate to the point where one body part is female and the other isnt, the closest thing is intersex which is just a male or female that mutated another chromosome and thus their ENTIRE body is mutated, not just brain.

i also find it ironic how transgenders claim their sex is male but gender is female, and that sex is irrelevant but they always say they need to manipulate their biological sex to be female? almost as if sex is indeed the only thing that matters for being male or female
if you truly feel like a female, you dont need to cut your dick off to be more of a female.

its impossible for our body to be something the dna wasnt instructed to be

If that was true, there wouldn't be same sex attraction

What's a Y chromosome dumbass

claim their sex is male but gender is female

have you ever talked to a trans person in your life? only tumblrinas say this. trans people want to specifically modify their physical sex.

but still no proper explanation

You speak as if we have uncovered every secret about the human mind.
We still don't have a working model of the human consciousness, and we still don't have explanations for most of our mental health related tribulations. Our knowledge about this topic is taking its first steps in the earliest stages of infancy.
Our eyes are yet to open

the one that contains the sry gene, you massive ignorant retard

ive been thinking of this topic for months now. transgenderism simply does not make any sense from any point of logic
refer to thats literally impossible, the burden of proof is on you
i already explained same sex attraction by the fact that sexuality can be changed and is impacted by social conditioning.
personal.anonbabble.com/
i dont talk to troons, are you saying your sex is actually female? because thats impossible
or are you saying that your sex can be changed to female? in which it cannot, cutting your penis off does not change your gametes.

humans have researched each chromosome in the dna but havent found any such thing as the transgender gene

We haven't found the autistic gene either

can someone explain how transgender people explain their view

i dont talk to troons

how can you possibly have so little self-awareness? am i talking to a bot?

You speak as if we have uncovered every secret about the human mind.

this is precisely what i mean, transgenders always debate like metaphysicalists/theists do, by claiming god of the gaps.
"we havent uncovered every secret, some of it could be god!"
as i already explained, i am a physicalist this means i believe consciousness comes entirely from the physical brain/body/nervous system.
we have, picrel
i didnt even realize we knew the specific genes behind many things until i watched chubbyemu's videos
i dont interact with them but i watch debates and read reddit threads obviously
how can you be so lacking in comprehension?

It is just agp + mental illness nothing more. Troons are all porn addicts.

still no proper explanation

For now.
Just because we don't know it yet, doesn't mean we won't know it in the future. You sound like a 18th century astronomer claiming that our galaxy was the only one in the universe.
You must address your own bias:
Do you want science to find an explanation for transgenderism? Would that change the way you see them?

that comic makes no sense, john money said that gender was made up and you can be whatever you want and when he tried to force a male to be female the male insisted that they had a different gender identity innately even without any knowledge whatsoever that he was born male. it literally only helps with the notion that gender identity is innate

refer to the first reply here this is just a ridiculous god of the gaps argument
"we dont know what will happen in the future, maybe god will be proven thus were justified in us believing in god right now before that proof exists"

The mind is separate from the body dumbass; your soul is connected to your body and is what makes you yourself, itll all go back into the earth with your soul once you die, hence reincarnation

The joke went over your head. This is what the comics say, troons claim that gender is fluid and you can be whatever you want, while nothing could be further from the truth.

its a whole chromosome not a gene

just because you say that and add dumbass at the end doesnt mean theres any proof for your belief.
this is why i stopped believing in substance dualism, and im also against idealism
there is no proof for any of it, i became a physicalist. there is no soul.

troons claim that gender is fluid and you can be whatever you want

this is quite literally the exact opposite thing that every trans person says. cis 'allies' in women's study class are the ones who say this

A significant association was identified between gender dysphoria and ERa, SRD5A2, and STS alleles, as well as ERa and SULT2A1 genotypes. Several allele combinations were also overrepresented in transgender women, most involving AR namely, ARERB, ARPGR, ARCOMT, CYP17SRD5A2. Overrepresented alleles and genotypes are proposed to undermasculinize/feminize on the basis of their reported effects in other disease contexts.

academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/2/390/5104458?login=false

Your physicalism is admirable but it does leave you in a treacherous predicament: how do you deal with every topic/question /problem that science has not explained yet?

the problem is, this only proves that the delusion that is transgenderism can be genetic, but it does not prove that gender itself separate from sex actually exists, or that a man is actually a woman.
it could be that the disorder where a man thinks his arm is not his and needs to be amputated, is actually genetically correlated to some alleles, but that doesnt prove his arm does not actually belong to him.
name some examples, i personally believe everything can be explained with a physical cause even if "science" hasnt studied it yet

They say this, you can only either be a woman or a man and this is determined at your birth, safe for a few genetic fuckups. The whole troon identity is based around being a different gender than your original one. Gender is 100 % biological and it is impossible to change your gender, a man and a woman not only look different, they feel, act, think different in every way possible.

It's a false equivalence because unlike god, trans people exist in a very widespread manner, across different cultures and in different parts of the planet.
We are not discussing their existence, but the reason why they exist, for which science is yet to conjure an answer.
So without scientific inquiry, what do you make of the existence of trans people, and what could science change about your opinion?

they feel, act, think different in every way possible.

yep you're retarded

It's not that complicated, anon.
If a mom's baby has screwed up hormone levels in the womb then her baby might end up with a brain that resembles the opposite sex more.
Although this more explains homosexuals rather than transsexuals. But the concept of being one sex and having the behavioral inclinations of the opposite sex in general is very easy to explain that way and doesn't require appeals to non-physical bullshit.

sexuality can be changed

It can't, though.

Impacted by social conditioning

If you mean that queer people are influenced to hide in the closet due to social stigma, that's 100% true

Found the troon go and buy a rope you disgusting porn freak. YWNBAW

It's a false equivalence because unlike god, trans people exist in a very widespread manner, across different cultures and in different parts of the planet.

religious people exist everywhere, so do transgender people
but that does not prove their delusions.

So without scientific inquiry, what do you make of the existence of trans people, and what could science change about your opinion?

whats with this emphasis on science? science has not proved transgenderism or anything like that
instead it has proven that gender (metaphysical concept) is not a thing and that it's all sex which is based on gametes that cannot be changed.
i have yet to see a proper logical argument from the transgender side.

If a mom's baby has screwed up hormone levels in the womb then her baby might end up with a brain that resembles the opposite sex more.

i just explained why its not like that
stop repeating things, instead re-read and re-create an actual argument from scratch.
estrogen is not just the "female hormone", and you cant change only your brain and not the rest of the body.

i find it funny how feminist progressives tried to say back in the day that there are no differences between male and female brains and that women were "equal" to men, now transgender "progressives" are saying the opposite. you should worry more about your leftist infighting instead of me.

It can't, though.

take one look at Anon Babble and all the guys saying how porn addiction turned them gay and you'll see that's not true.

I didn't even say estrogen.

If you mean that queer people are influenced to hide in the closet due to social stigma, that's 100% true

no i mean that your sexuality (what youre sexually attracted to) can be influenced by society, for example men with big tits.
i dont think that men are naturally attracted to specific size of tits, i think its built in a man through social condition at a young age (4 and onwards) using brain plasticity and new neural connections.

You said

in the last few decades, theyve tried many times to find physical explanations in neurology and biology for transgenderism but still no proper explanation, humans have researched each chromosome in the dna but havent found any such thing as the transgender gene

But according to scientific research, you are wrong and we have found those genes.

Genetic Link Between Gender Dysphoria and Sex Hormone Signaling

doi.org/10.1210/jc.2018-01105

So please don't move the goalpost now. Whether you think transgenderism is this or that, those are the genes correlated to it, and you claimed we hadn't found them.
If you can't have the intellectual honesty of admitting past errors, we will think that you're not in this discussion with good intentions, to further your own knowledge and understanding, but just to stroke your ego and reinforce your bias with bad faith argumentation

I fully support your right to have a wrong opinion.
Society influences us to hide and repress our sexualities to fit in the mold of normality. Not the other way around

But according to scientific research, you are wrong and we have found those genes.

i was using transgender in the sense of a man that is a woman, not a person that identifies as transgender
the essence of the idea itself, not the description of it.
there is no gene that shows a man is a woman, theres only genes that show a man is deluded to think hes a transgender
this is not an opinion, this is a clear fact of how things work, you havent refuted the triune brain theory of sexuality created by the one and only me.

"Society" (the people who run it) have been promoting this disgusting tranny shit via governments and corporations for the last 15 or so years. It didn't even exist before then really except as some sick shit a jew in the 1920s and 30s thought up to fuck with German (and then other European) societies, and those are the books le nazis burned..

take one look at Anon Babble

anon, this is the second time you source your worldview from Anon Babble threads. You don't want to do that because it gives you a biased sample, prone to skewed perspectives and ideological bubbles.
Being permanently online and taking the anecdotes you hear here as truth won't do you any good.

biased sample

it has nothing to do with a biased sample, if theres atleast one person that has changed their sexuality through positive reinforcement and porn then its possible for any human.

"Society" (the people who run it) have been promoting this disgusting tranny

That's completely opposite of the truth, actually. Trans people are still social pariahs who suffer persecution and prejudice everywhere they go.
Your view is completely opposite from reality because your sources of information are rotted at their core.
Society does promote heterosexuality, conservatism and bigotry via government and corporations, that's why you have a church at every corner in your city, all free of taxes.
But the only LGBT youth center is under constant scrutiny and harassment, that's when it's not closed entirely.
The outside world is very different from this caricature you have constructed in your mind with the power of transphobic propaganda

I believe the body is separate from the mind and I believe you can be born in the wrong body.
However, I do not believe it is as common as its seen today, and that the 90% of transgender men and women have transitioned for poor reasons.

There is no such person, though. You can't turn gay by looking at porn any more than a gay can turn straight by looking at too much porn.
You merely realized something that was always inside of you. It was an awakening process, not a change.

I believe the body is separate from the mind and I believe you can be born in the wrong body.

yes that proves the premise of my thread that people who believe in transgenderism are not physicalists but are either dualists or idealists
that is a fallacy, the idea that "you didnt change you were always like this but didnt realize it"
this is what muslims also believe, that everyone is born muslim and they stop being muslims when they become conscious by their non-muslim parents "brainwashing them", thats why they call converts reverts
that is a delusion belief and so is your belief as well.

transgender supporters and religious people argue for such similar points/worldviews.

tell me if someone feels heterosexual attraction for their whole life, then at age 24 they get into sissy hypno fetish and start feeling cocklust, youre telling me they were always gay in the first place? theres literally a whole community worth of people that turned bisexual/pansexual through porn addiction, my triune brain theory of sexuality is based on this empirical fact.

You are twisting semantics so hard right now, all so you don't have to admit being wrong. This is a bad look for someone who doesn't want to come across as intellectually dishonest and arguing in bad faith.
Regardless of what you meant by "transgender", the science has found out the genes correlated to it, which is the opposite of what you claimed before.
When you made a claim that there was no transgender gene, you didn't do it out of research and knowledge about the topic. It was a claim born of willful ignorance. One quick Google search proved you wrong.
This makes us think: what other opinions of yours are not rooted in facts, but in ignorance alone?

Regardless of what you meant by "transgender", the science has found out the genes correlated to it, which is the opposite of what you claimed before.

you just btfod by my basic explanation so you keep going back to your own retarded definition.
there is a difference between being transgender and being transgender. do you know what i mean?

trannies be like

mind is separate from the body

but body must affirm the mind!

KEK

It didn't even exist before then

Trannies have been recorded in ancient history

not the guy youre replying to but thats completely false.
there were eunuchs and crossdressers, but there were never people that claimed gender and sex were separate.

there were eunuchs and crossdressers, but there were never people that claimed gender and sex were separate.

this latter idea was created in the 20th century and wasnt a thing before that, its built on post modern psychologist and sociologist work.

theres only genes that show a man is deluded to think hes a transgender

Completely beyond the point.
Being transgender is embedded in your dna and we have found those genes.
That's the complete opposite of what you have previously claimed.

there is no gene that makes a man a woman.
you are not as smart as you think you are.

the public space is festooned with garbage promoting me but I'm being oppressed and persecuted even when anyone who speaks out against this is unpersoned, fired, blacklisted, has police snipers watch them when they protest disgusting faggots paired up with children in the "Drag Queen Story Hour" events

lmao

this woman has agreed with me (op)
this means i win, since transgenders do not have ANY women that agree with them.

that does not prove their delusions

One group of people, religious folk, get to set temples everywhere. Their beliefs are protected. They constantly interject their beliefs into law. They get tax exemption. They are free to indoctrinate their children. They are free to propagandize their delusions and they are amongst the most powerful and influential people in the world.
The other group is persecuted and discriminated against.
So clearly both of these "delusions" are treated very differently.
Transgenderism doesn't get all the privileges and exemptions that religious delusions get.
We should fix that imbalance by either elevating trans people, or stripping religious institutions of their power.

yes that proves the premise of my thread that people who believe in transgenderism are not physicalists but are either dualists or idealists

Yeah, its all about perspective. I'm not 100% sure what the physicalists philosophy is, but I personally don't like to look at life like our only purpose is to procreate. Its our biological purpose, of course, but it also just means nothing to me.

science has not proved transgenderism or anything like that

Science has proved it's correlated with your genes.
You have been shown the paper but you refuse to read.

So clearly both of these "delusions" are treated very differently.

i literally do not care about any of what you just said
both are delusions, and im an atheist+anti-trans
what some groups are politically doing doesnt matter, we are debating the validity of each group's claims.

I'm not 100% sure what the physicalists philosophy is

well physicalism (also known as materialism) basically claims that all things are physical and that things beyond physicality dont exist, this includes souls, as well as that consciousness ia a physical process.
idealism claims that "mind over matter", that the only thing that can be proven is your consciousness and metaphysical mind.
dualism claims that both the physical and metaphysical things are real and the work in synergy.
physicalism and idealism are monist (the idea that the world is made up of one thing only) while substance dualism is dualist.

but I personally don't like to look at life like our only purpose is to procreate.

you should look into existentialism then
no matter how many times you repeat it, your point does not make sense.
refer to >it could be that the disorder where a man thinks his arm is not his and needs to be amputated, is actually genetically correlated to some alleles, but that doesnt prove his arm does not actually belong to him.
please apply this argument to transgenderism and use your brain

>the public space is festooned with garbage promoting me

A tiny fraction compared to the overwhelming garbage promoting religious indoctrination that tells trans individuals will go to hell. So the real propaganda is the religious bigotry, and you're blind to it.
A little thought experiment: you will find a 100 churches near you before finding an LGBT safe space. You will find a 1000 religious bigots before finding one trans.
The only reason why you think that transgenderism is overwhelming is because you live on the internet and actively seek out that content, like you did in this thread

There is a gene that makes one transexual.
Your inability to admit mistakes shows you're not here to learn, but to proselytize and argue in bad faith

refer to >no matter how many times you repeat it, your point does not make sense.

What do you think that ancient crossdressers would do if you offered than a medicine to feminize their bodies?
You're being purposefully ignorant

so taking hrt without the desire to be the opposite gender makes you trans?
what is being trans to you? are you one of those "trucute"?

both are delusions

Clearly they are treated very differently in our societies. While the "trans delusion" is discriminated against, the religious delusion is institutionalized, propagandized, children are indoctrinated to it, and it even seeps through our laws.
So there's a clear injustice going on here. Obviously your problem is not with large scale delusions, if you're so fine with thousands of delusional people building centers of delusional thinking and tax evasion all around you.
You don't have a problem with delusions. You have an specific problem with trans people, and science also tells us something interesting about that.

as i said i dont care what society treats them as
i dont even understand what your point is
if society treats someone as bad that validates their delusion? i dont understand what argument you are making
what does this have to do with validity of claims that transgenderism is real and viable?

Take a pill that will make you look more like the opposite gender

Without wanting to be the opposite gender

Sounds counter intuitive

well physicalism (also known as materialism) basically claims that all things are physical and that things beyond physicality dont exist, this includes souls, as well as that consciousness ia a physical process.

Then yeah, If you have this philosophy then transgenderism doesn't make sense and isn't reasonable. Thats ok though, its just how your perspective is.

i forgot to read the rest of your post
you are saying i am fine with religious delusions? are you fucking retarded because you cant read?
i am literally an ATHEIST and im anti-theist, ive been arguing against christians and muslims for the last few years
you dont know me retard
so anyone who wants to look feminine is trans?
this is the thinking that led to the extinction of tomboys
right

Society treats them just like you do, like pariahs and martyrs.
It's very telling that you want to hear a justification, either from trans people or science, like they have to prove they exist for a reason. Like they have to earn the right to exist, because to you, trans people merely being is not enough.
Your point on this topic is very clear, and although you don't claim to be religious, you share your disdain for transgenders with them.

no clue what youre talking about bro
transgenderism is not real, you cannot be born in the wrong body

and although you don't claim to be religious, you share your disdain for transgenders with them.

alternatively rather both religion and transgenderism are idealist/metaphysicalist beliefs that have no roots in physical reality.
this refutes them both in a physicalist worldview.

"hurr durr you breathe oxygen like religious people do so you are the same as them!!!!"
yeah bro only religious people can be reactionary, so true... youre such an intellectual!

if society treats someone as bad that validates their delusion?

If one delusion is institutionalized and propagandize en masse (religion) but another delusion suffers a much darker fate of discrimination, the conclusion is obvious:
The problem is not "delusions". It's something else entirely

transgenderism is real

It is real. You think transgender people are just pretending to piss you off?

you realize i dont speak for others right? i dont control other people's actions
neither am i arguing for other people's actions here.
you are arguing against me as if i was society, i am not your boogeyman, go argue with someone else on that.
*I* have never defended religion, neither have i defended any other delusion.
nah its autogynephilia/mental disorder as i said.

have no roots in physical reality.

Science disagrees since it has found genes correlated to transgenderism.
You might as well claim that autism or any other flavor of neurodivergency has no root in reality. They're of the mind. The mind is a physical aspect of reality like any other.
I doubt they have found the religion gene, however.

It's called mass formation psychosis.

oh my god retard, keep repeating the same shit over and over
yet you still havent responded to my comment

refer to (You)

as for your picture, that has nothing to do with how you were born but rather a reaction from an external event (being castrated/pumped with hormones), it too does not change your sex.

nobody said it changes your sex. but hormones certainly change your brain.

you are saying i am fine with religious delusions?

Your discontent with transgender delusions seem really disproportionate when compared to your reaction to religion. Like I said, if you draw a radius around your home, you will find a hundred churches before coming across a single transgender person.
Once again it becomes obvious that your discontent is not about delusional beliefs, but about some delusional beliefs in particular

That's religion. Trans people keep being born even in the most strict, conservative, closed off communities and families, away from modern influences. Clearly there is something else going on

as if i was society

You certainly agree with society on the trans issue, as our society is very bigoted. But the reason why you care about transgenderism, that's the point in case. You claim to care about anyone being delusional, but that's not true, is it? Trannies get a particular big portion of your focus compared to all the delusional religious folk running society at large.
So it's not their delusions that bother you per se, it's something else

autogynephilia/mental disorder

Beyond the point: those are real things, as real as autism or any other aspect of the mind. They're heavily influenced by our genes. They're physical manifestations of the self and the mind. There's nothing spiritual or metaphysical about neurodivergency when it suits you.

change your brain

define how, does it physically change shape? does it split in half? does it expand past the skull?
i dont even believe in the idea that transgenders are born with different brains, the only articles ive seen for studies on it, the only parts that are different are the softer parts (gray matter) of the brain that arent based on hard shape (size, overall structure of brain parts etc), in fact im not even sure if i truly believe that male and female brains have much difference.
i dont think trannies are born with female brains.

Your discontent with transgender delusions seem really disproportionate when compared to your reaction to religion

as i said you dont fucking know me man, ive literally called for mass deaths of religious people
YOU dont fucking know me

You certainly agree with society on the trans issue

absolutely delusional, being pro-trans is a majority stance in today's world, were not in the 1970's, if anything im counter-culture today
autogynephilia is a fetish, and mental disorder does not prove that youre born in the wrong body but rather that your brain is fucked up and thinks its born in the wrong body when it isnt.

They're physical manifestations of the self and the mind

sounds like some retarded new age spirituality bullshit, come back to reality and stop being a panpsychist.

Mental disorders are metaphysical. Experience is metaphysical.

Not sure why people still can't accept this.

Normal people don't like trannies. You are offputting and constantly spill your spaghetti in the public space. That is different from who has power and what is promoted. Most people also dont like pajeets and other weird foreigners being flooded in but they have no power to stop it, just like with the tranny shit being forced on us.

how do you prove metaphysical things are real if they cant be measured by physical equipment?
or seen by physical eyes, heard by physical ears? since meta means above/beyond, something that is beyond physicality, cannot be even experienced by a physical body like a human, so how do we prove this?

the problem is, this only proves that the delusion that is transgenderism can be genetic

Pure semantics. You can call transgenderism a delusion all you want, it doesn't change anything about these people.

It does not prove that gender itself separate from sex

Yes it does. If gender and sex weren't separated, there would be no such "delusion" to begin with. No misalignment between the sex and the self.
The "delusion" of transgenderism proves there's a part of your mind that can grow incongruent with the body, and such display of neurodivergency is still a physical aspect of the mind, which is wholly physical. It doesn't matter if it's a delusion or not.
You might as well call autism a delusion, or any other ailment of the mind. If a person wants to be the opposite gender, it doesn't matter if they're not the opposite gender. Their wanting is as real as their sex itself.

Mental disorders are metaphysical

Didn't you show us the genes correlated with autism?

Mental disorders are physical aspects of a physical mind. They're just beyond the reach of our current technology, so the mind is as of now, an undecipherable thought machine. It still is a machine.

argumentum ad populum

You said a while ago you didn't speak for society, but it seems now you do.
If your argument for disliking trannies is because they're weird and ugly, that's a tiny bit more honest than pretending you have a stake against delusions

That is different from who has power

Religious institutions

What is promoted

Conservatism and bigotry.
You are not immune to their propaganda,in fact you were completely molded by it.

Pure semantics. You can call transgenderism a delusion all you want, it doesn't change anything about these people.

you are so low iq
how old are you man? you cant be old and still have so little comprehension of logic
a man wanting to amputate his arm because he thinks his arm is not his is not delusional?
whose arm is it?
youve yet to prove any of this

Yes it does. If gender and sex weren't separated, there would be no such "delusion" to begin with. No misalignment between the sex and the self.

this is literally presuppositional apologetics taken straight out of the christian/muslim playbook

You might as well call autism a delusion, or any other ailment of the mind

except autists are not making the claim that they are cold hard spaghetti born in the body of a human, or demanding you call them autism pronouns, whatever those would be
neither are they claiming that gender and sex are separate (which it isnt)

The mind is the result of 80 billion neurons interconnected in a web of trillions of synapses and quintillions of events. Just because we don't have the technology to pierce through the complexity, doesn't mean the mind isn't an entirely physical process

y-you're a nazi because of indoctrination but i can't tell you where that's actually coming from when all institutions promote the opposite and all of the tranny/fag shit

The mind is the result of 80 billion neurons interconnected in a web of trillions of synapses and quintillions of events.

no thats the brain, which is physical and can be seen/touched/etc, the mind which is a metaphysical thing cannot be touched or seen or anything like that. thats why i dont believe in the mind and only believe in the brain

define how, does it physically change shape? does it split in half? does it expand past the skull?

you are a disingenuous faggot.
a mother drinks a bunch of alcohol while pregnant and her kid comes out retarded. her doctor tells her it's because the alcohol changed how the brain developed in the womb. meanwhile you:

hurr durr how did it change is the brain upside down now

a man wanting to amputate his arm because he thinks his arm is not his is not delusional?

What difference does it make if you label him delusional? Will that change his feelings? Will that make the delusion go away? Can his delusion be fixed in any way, or is it so deeply embedded in his soul that no amount of medication or therapy will ever make him want to keep that arm?
If a man wanted to cut off his arm so bad, that he would commit suicide if he couldn't do it, I'd rather he got the amputation.
You would rather see them die on the altar.
That's the difference between us.

you are a disingenuous faggot.

you are referencing hrt in rats, which is already born humans taking hormones for their body
how does the brain change?
what is a female brain? is it a brain with a pink bowtie? how does this brain become more female?
this is not being disingenous this is me trying to understand what the fuck youre trying to say
you feel offended when someone asks you to elaborate your views? you are clearly not cut out for debates.

whose arm is it?

Clearly it won't be his arms once he cut it off.
Like a man won't be 100% male if he acts, dress and looks exactly like a girl.

except autists are not making the claim

Autists make all sorts of claim and can be a nuisance in social settings in many ways. They can be hard to interact with, they can be antisocial, they can even be violent, but most of them are more likely to suffer discrimination from an unemphatic society. Most of them just want to live their lives and be weird in peace. Just like transexuals.
You have empathy for the group that you identify with, forgetting about the huge overlap between autism and transgenderism

What difference does it make if you label him delusional?

now this right here is disingenous like this faggot said completely disingenous, you are arguing a completely different point, its still delusion to say that his arm is not his because his arm is HIS, how can he be born with someone elses arm?

If a man wanted to cut off his arm so bad, that he would commit suicide if he couldn't do it, I'd rather he got the amputation.

see this is the problem, i didnt bring this up but now i will. i dont believe that the cure for transgenderism is trooning out, because how can a supposedly metaphysical psychological state of mind get fixed by a physical thing like cutting the cock off? for example the guy with the impostor arm, has a problem with his brain which tells him that his arm is not his, cutting his arm off wont change his mental illness, cutting off an physical part of the body cannot change his state of the brain, instead his mental illness will remain and it will move onto another limb, because the issue is ultimately the brain.

Clearly it won't be his arms once he cut it off.

implying that its his before he cuts it off?
so at least you admit that you are born with your arm, you are not born with someone elses arm.
just like you are born with your sex and not somebody else's sex.

Autists make all sorts of claim and can be a nuisance in social settings in many ways.

as i said you dont understand anything, autism supporters are not claiming anything except that someone is born with autism which is a provable claim. they are not claiming that the essence of something else is false (gender-sex distinction, etc)

you are referencing hrt in rats, which is already born humans taking hormones for their body

you know you can extrapolate the rat thing to a baby in the womb? use that physical brain of yours a little.

what is a female brain? is it a brain with a pink bowtie? how does this brain become more female?

i dont fucking know what you're talking about dude. but if you're seriously arguing that what the mother consumed while pregnant doesn't affect the child you are stupid. for example, in the usa there are growth hormones given to cows to produce more milk and this makes the milk have more xenoestrogrens in it (many of these are banned in the eu and canada for health concerns by the way). if a pregnant mother drinks that, how does it affect her baby's development? nobody knows. it isn't just milk, there are all sorts of strange chemicals and food additives that people consume all the time. is it really so strange to believe that this could cause transgenderism? it's completely physicalist.

i can't tell you where that's actually coming from

I can, actually. The heritage foundation. Fox news.
There's literally a church at every corner. How many churches are there in your neighborhood alone?
How many senators, deputies, governors, judges and presidents are religious and claimed the bible for their campaign? How many christian schools and universities are there? How many pastors run for office?
The heritage foundation is comprised of billionaires spending huge amounts of money to inject conservatism in America, in universities, in science and in media. Multiple researches have shown there is a huge right wing conservative bias in advertisment. There are way more right wing billionaires than the opposite, all of them lobbying the government to get their ideology promoted in USA.
Conservatism is still a powerful driving force that uses their money and power to shift the ideological framework of this country into right wingers, and they definitely got you.

autism supporters are not claiming anything except that someone is born with autism which is a provable claim

Transgender people too are claiming just that, and that's also a provable claim, as I have showed you studies on the trans genes.
Trans people wanting respect is no different from autists like you.

you know you can extrapolate the rat thing to a baby in the womb? use that physical brain of yours a little.

you realize that once the baby is out of the womb and being bombarded by hormones that once its out of the womb it will no longer be under that influence? and will go back to normal?
youre implying we should hook mtf troons on trt to make them normal again? you dumb fucking retard

but if you're seriously arguing that what the mother consumed while pregnant doesn't affect the child you are stupid.

im not arguing that, what im arguing is that youre saying the estrogen turns their brain female, im asking what is a female brain? how does it look like? what exact structural changes makes their brain now female?

is it really so strange to believe that this could cause transgenderism? it's completely physicalist.

its really strange once you start seeing a person argue that gender and sex are separate and that the physical sex is irrelevant, instead only gender (what you identify as, and metaphysical concepts) matters
no, go back to the rest of my replies and use your brain.

None of these promote anti-tranny and anti-faggotry, and certainly not nationalism. You're coping, tranny.

You call me disingenuous when you said there was no trans genes
But when showed the research paper proving you wrong, you resorted to semantics.
You are clearly not arguing in good faith here. And you still have not answered how does labeling neurodivergent people "delusional" change their predicament?
Your false equivalence with drinking during pregnancy is a non sequitur

None of these promote anti-tranny and anti-faggotry

The heritage foundation literally does that, it's a huge part of their ideological framework, and it made it in project 2025, the guiding manual for trump's administration.
They specifically quote, openly, to oppose non traditional families and non heteronormative lifestyles multiple times.
Once again, you are not being honest.

notice how you didnt reply to a single part of my argument? you are disingenous
now fuck off if youre not gonna provide counter-arguments to what i wrote.

None of these promote anti-tranny and anti-faggotry

Literally every church does

You still have never responded to my challenge
Draw a 1 km radius around your house. Count the churches. Count the LGBT related venues. The discrepancy will show you who really is ruling your nation, and who has propagandized your mind into hating minorities

the churches are full of fag and woman preachers who fly rainbow flags

its still delusion to say that his arm is not his because his arm is HIS

Call it delusional if you must. How does that change this man's life?
If he would rather die than keep the arm, what would you rather have him do?
Amputate the arm or kill himself?
We already know your answer, because dead trannies is your end goal

you realize that once the baby is out of the womb and being bombarded by hormones that once its out of the womb it will no longer be under that influence? and will go back to normal?

you are actually retarded. babies don't stop growing once they're out of the womb. and you know babies have to consume sustenance to survive, right? they will continue being affected by the chemicals in the water turning the frickin' frogs gay. you know that meme isn't just a meme, right? chemicals literally did turn frogs gay. why do you think that can't happen to humans?

im not arguing that, what im arguing is that youre saying the estrogen turns their brain female, im asking what is a female brain? how does it look like? what exact structural changes makes their brain now female?

you have no argument. literally nobody knows how the brain works. but why don't you google studies on brain scans of gays or trannies since you apparently never looked this up before. male and female brains do have characteristics that let them be differentiated and gays/trannies have brains that are different from normal people.

That's the exception that prove the rule, disingenuous little weasel.
For every inclusive church, you have a 100 traditional ones telling queers they'll go to hell, and telling women they must be traditional wives instead of sluts.
Churches are the perfect place for your incel ideologies, and it's very doubtful you've got a problem with delusions when you turn a blind eye to their power

i dont believe that the cure for transgenderism is trooning out,

Oh yes, the classic approach to neurodivergency: tell them to suck it up and be normal until it either works, or they die trying.
How has that approach worked for your autism?
That's the point you are incapable of making because you don't have empathy:
Calling someone delusional, even if true, doesn't help their situation.

how can a supposedly metaphysical psychological state of mind get fixed by a physical thing

As it was proven to you already with scientific research
Transgenderism is a real thing correlated to genes.

you are born with your sex

They're born with their genitals, but their minds work more similarly to the opposite gender, as evidenced by multiple research already

Muh neo-Lysenkoist "research" on trannies is totes legit

literally everything you wrote was already countered in the reply you replied to
why cant you read?

you are actually retarded. babies don't stop growing once they're out of the womb

i dont even know what youre implying here

you have no argument. literally nobody knows how the brain works. but why don't you google studies on brain scans of gays or trannies since you apparently never looked this up before. male and female brains do have characteristics that let them be differentiated and gays/trannies have brains that are different from normal people.

lol youre arguing for gays and trannies while calling them insults, are you a progressive faggot or not? i cant even understand that
either way i already replied to that, look through the thread i guess
troons are not neurodivergent, they are autogynephiliac freaks
stop trying to latch on to autists to make your bullshit delusions seem legit
we have proof that autism is real and that youre born with it, we dont have proof that men can become women

As it was proven to you already with scientific research

that is retardation, refer to that same post with my analogy with the amputation and how it didnt fix his brain, only delayed it.
you guys keep repeating this but its not true at all, and there is no true logic or evidence behind it, its merely cultspeak that npcs are trained to respond with.
minds do not exist, there is no metaphysics, you cannot be born with the wrong sex brain, you cannot be born with the wrong sex anything.
there is no transgenderism.