Why are there like several thousand Christian denominations? how come no other religion is divided like this...

Protestants are just like that. Every day a new schizo thinks he hears voices from God, and prots will just go

Wow, I should drop everything Im doing and make a religion out of this guy!

Why doesn't god ever just come down and clarify who's right if he actually exists? You'd think that'd be really important given everyone is worshipping him differently.

What do you mean by versions? Do you mean the different translations (KJV, RSV, Vulgate, Luther's Bible, etc.)? Do you mean the different text types (Western text type, Byzantine text type, Alexandrian text type, Textus Receptus, etc.)? Do you mean the different canons (Protocanon, Deuterocanon, Ethiopian canon, etc.)? Do you mean the different textual traditions (LXX, MT, Samaritan, DSS)?

It is explained in Genesis through the Tower of Babel Story.
The Holy Spirit Transcends language though because the Father is the creator of all things.

the orthodox church is the true church, they have been keeping it closest to the original church. the catholic church is a political entity. the pope was literally leading armies and conquering land in the italian wars, some of their theology is based on what ever is convenient at the time politically. Protestantism spawned off the bullshit of the catholic church, and since they do not have the foundation of an actual church, they kept making their own special versions. then there are lots of denominations that the catholic church purged like the cathars or the arians. you can start here youtube.com/@PatristicNectarFilms/videos

how come no other religion is divided like this?

Islam has different branches within branches too.
Buddhism has like 3 different main branches.
Hinduism is probably similar. I think they have local gods and such there.

I don't believe any of it and I'm more likely to go full gnostic than ever acknowledge abrahamic faiths as they are written.
But the denominations are due to there being disagreements over what is considered divinely inspired information, either within the various books and translations of those books, or in what the church is allowed to tell you to do and how it is structured.

sure then why are there 1000s of denominations that hate each other and historically killed each other en masse? if the le holy spirit has been communicating through something highher than language to youy ALL ALONG lol
sure but why has there been multiple denominations for over a thousand years now and what does a whore from babylon (a country that doesnt exist anymore for a long time) have to do with it?

also, why was jesus in a public park in the middle of the night with a naked boy while his 'disciples' stood watch? Why was abraham basically just a schizo semitic slavetrader who captured women and tried to kill his child in schizo confusion, and why are we basing our society off his stain on history?

mark 14;52
"The boy fled naked, leaving his garment behind"

this is all just a big fantasy in your mind, to keep you from acknowledging that your vry SOUL has bene enslaved to a schizo child molester/slave trader cult.

no other religion is divided by this

ALL other religions are divided like thi

nigga what? do you have any idea how many different offshoots of islam and Judaism there are? and these are just the Abrahamic religions

anon killed it with the reply holy fuck. keep fighting the good fight sir

Because most other religions either call all of their splinter faiths some cope term so they technically aren't a new religion, or are so decentralized that practitioners of their faith vary from place to place to an insane degree.

Muslims have the major Sunni-Shi'ite split that occured less than a few decades after Muhammad's death, plus smaller groups that split off like Ibadis and Ahmadiyyas (including extinct ones), and also have splits based on various schools and teachings within each of those broader branches of Islam.
Buddhists have splits akin to Christians and Muslims, just that a lot of those branches are either tiny or have since gone extinct (like the variants practiced in Central Asia and Pakistan) due to the spread of Islam.
Jews have the differences in how strictly they follow religious laws, from Secular Jews who are essentially atheists wearing the Jewish label for social points, to ultraorthodox Jews who are so extreme that most other Jews despise them - plus Jews are also the smallest of the major religions, and a lot of their more distinct variants have nearly gone extinct.
Hindus also have various "sects" that differ greatly from one-another, and also naturally vary a lot within them due to the relatively decentralized nature of Hinduism.

also, why was jesus in a public park in the middle of the night with a naked boy while his 'disciples' stood watch? Why was abraham basically just a schizo semitic slavetrader who captured women and tried to kill his child in schizo confusion, and why are we basing our society off his stain on history?

why are you attacking a strawman? do you believe any form of Christianity is based on this?

do you believe any form of Christianity is based on this?

yes, all of christanity is based around abraham (the patriarch of the religion) and jesus (the central molester)

our society runs on slavery and exploitation and child abuse bc it has been based off the examples of these people for a very long time now

if you want to critique a position, you first have to understand your opponent's position.

yes i know, i grew up in a deeply christian family, i understand your position very well. the only way you ppl can get your points across is through gaslighting. you are like child molesters, reproducing through psychological predation.

Mainly because of cultural trends in europe that allowed concepts like "dissent" or "doing your own thing" to be part of the zeitgeist. After these ideas began to spread, they began to be applied to religion, beginning with martin luther and continuing to the present day. You'll notice that societies in the ancient world were far more conformist. Since the individualist philosophy tree started in europe other regions haven't quite caught up yet, but they're certainly getting there

how come no other religion is divided like this?

Buddhism and eastern religions have a lot of divisions, it's just they don't care as much about dogma, authority, and honestly even correctness in some ways and are much more mellow about, whereas Christianity by nature being correct and in good faith matters a whole damn lot.
Protestant reformation opened the real flood gates though. Not saying I agree with Catholic or Protestants, but a lot of people who wanted to break with Rome took advantage of it(European monarchs especially) and once you cut from one central authority, easier to divide further.

shit tier opinion desu. youre not a philosopher. also, pre-monotheism, ancient cultures were not so much like this. greek had more sovl than any other society yet, and it wasnt by forcing everyone into mindless conformity. your entire opininion is garbage.

Protestantism denied the authority of the organization qualified to interpret legitimately the religious tradition of the West and in its place claimed to set up "free criticism," that is to say interpretations resulting from private judgement, even of the ignorant and the incompetent, and based exclusively on the exercise of human reason. What happened in the realm of religion was therefore analogous to the part to be played by rationalism in philosophy: the door was left open to all manner of discussions, divergencies and deviations, and the result was what it was bound to be: dispersion in an ever growing multitude of sects, each of which represents no more than the private opinion of certain individuals. As it was impossible under such conditions to come to an agreement on doctrine, this was soon thrust into the background, and the secondary aspect of religion, namely morality came to the fore: hence the degeneration into moralism which is so patent in present-day Protestantism.

im sorry if you were molested but that has nothing to do with the theology

Your entire understanding of my point has been ruined because in your mind "conformity" is a bad word for a bad thing

I simply meant that people were more like each other in the past

noones reading all that. All pure cope. all theology reasoning is cope.

not molested, and theology is a joke of a field. can you engage with anything ive said or just come with accusations of molestation or other things to demean my pov? like every other christian?

Why is molestation so common in the church that even for christians, its that easy go to for a loss of faith "oh, he was obviously just molested too". WY are so many children being molested that you just treat it as a normal happening in the church, casually?

can you engage with that one?

Why is molestation so common in the church that even for christians, its that easy go to for a loss of faith "oh, he was obviously just molested too". WY are so many children being molested that you just treat it as a normal happening in the church, casually?

"christians casually bring up how common molestation is in their churches and are so desensitized by it that they regularly use it as an accusation to demean someones pov for being against them

this is like chuds who beleive feminists only exist bc they were raped, dangerously close to the types who think it can all be fixed by "raping them into shape"

to explain it simply

the apostles of jesus spread out and started many orthodox churches

the bishop of rome claimed dominion over all the churches in the western roman empire

the roman church was corrupt and would sell forgiveness in exchange for donations, as well as be greedy with money

western europeans upset with the catholic church start the reformation, denounce the pope

every region that left the catholic church started its own new church

other churches would splinter off of those ones due to theological beliefs, (for example baptists believe that the authority of the church lies with the congretation and not the priest)

no, i understood it right and well. even if you redefine conformity, and whether or not its a positive or negative thing, what you were saying is still plain untrue

to explain it simply:

WHY are so many children being molested that you just treat it as a normal happening in the church, casually?

Even islam which claims to be fundamentally impossible to modify has hundreds of iterations most radically different than each other and a few syncretic religions stemming from it
Judaism isnt as divided but the differences between sects make christianity pale in terms of sectarian divide

the reaosn is because religion is all in someones head, so when cultures change and groups move around, it changes bc its all still going on in their head
theres your answer OP

well, that isnt a simplification as much as a slander. the reasons for the reformation starting weren't molestation, but there was a pedophile pope that got syphillis in office around the 1400s iirc. the main reason why was because the church held a massive amount of the wealth in every area and by turning on the church the nobles could claim the land and fortune for themselves. Because of that the nobles piggy backed onto the common people's concern over church corruption and 100 years of the worst warfare in history began

its more that religion changes with the times and different aspects gets diluted or misconstrued as its passed around.

well, that isnt a simplification as much as a slander.

no, if you meet christians you see its a constant recurring theme, that molestation and child abuse un rampant. There are tons of cases that nevr go public, at least 90% of them likely never feel the need to make a report, so well never know just how deep it runs. its the truth, and jesus is the molester youve been trained to love and apologize for to the very end.

implying Islam isn't as divided

There's no cultural change or ethnic movement, 70% of islamic sects appeared within the same general region in a 200 years bracket
It's the opposite of your argument because islam actually was divided over a ruling feud within the same homogeneous group

its more that religion changes with the times and different aspects gets diluted or misconstrued as its passed around.

yes, because its formed by a persons perception and is all going on in the person's mind.

im not a christian, i just like history.
showing off an incomplete narrative and calling it history is just committing a crime against the people who want to learn

It's the opposite of your argument because islam actually was divided over a ruling feud within the same homogeneous group

so, they formed as a result of internal movements rather than external environmental things. ok, so its still going on within their heads, just even more hardcore than if it was influenced by environment or time. thanks for expanding on that for us

1000s of denominations

The demonnations were created by various demon possessed people attempting to bring Israel back to Egyptian slavery.

It is speculation that the young naked man is the writer of the gospel himself John Markus. It was the only thing that he had with him and it was either ripped from him or he dropped it.
Remember that during this time people basically only had a tunic and cloak was their only clothing and it would be their bedding and their wearables.
It is more of showing how when they took Christ away he (Mark) was left naked without his covering

Religion is not inside people's head. All of life is inside the Creator's head not the people's head.
Humans do not create reality, God does. Get out of your head, you are not God.

ill never forget when i stumbled onto the hilarious sunni vs shia instagram reel rabbit hole. we arent that much different after all

Jesus Christ is not a molester, Repent of the Blasphemy right away you damned demon possessed nigger

Sunni vs Shia is the same as Catholic Vs Orthodox
All 4 of them must repent to follow Christ alone and not trust in the traditions of man.

showing off an incomplete narrative and calling it history

no youre the one showing the incomplete narative. the church has always been this and jesus was a child molester. 2000 years of revisionism has taken place, but the truth can still be found. The whole cult is built on human exploitation and child abuse, bc thats what their founder was himself. literally just a jew that went around convincing ppl, especially children to follow him around by spinning lies about his great works. This is also why western society is now built on deceptive advertising. Why did jesus need everyone to trust him without question? why do people demand you to do that now? its always because youre being taken advantage of.

It isnt said explicitly why jesus was arrested in gethsemanae, but we do know he was found there in the middle of the night with a naked kid (mark 14:52). The people loved him up to there, but suddenly after gethsemane he was a hated criminal and the people wanted him killed horribly. Why? What did judas 'betray' him for? the most realistic conclusion is that jesus was a molester and judas spilled the beans. This is why western culture wants you worshipping this guy as an authority figure, since western society by now is run by child predators.

Why the fuck would they follow yeshua bar mary instead of muhammad or mahdi or buddha or whoever the fuck nigga

Why did jesus need everyone to trust him without question? why do people demand you to do that now? its always because youre being taken advantage of.

think about it. have you ever met a stranger who demanded you to trust them without question and had it go well, if you did? What if this stranger is a jew, demanding you to trust them without question. starting to make sense?

ngl you sounded like a skitso at first but this actually makes everything make perfect sense t b h

can you engage with anything ive said

because you built a straw man. if my theology says the sky is green, it doesnt matter if your interpretation is that the sky is purple, you have to engage with my view that the sky is green.

Why is molestation so common in the church

its actually far far less than any other organization ever including schools. the reason why its such a scandal when it does happen is because its antithetical to christian theology. jews and muslims have exponentially higher rates of molestation but its normal for their theology

if my theology says the sky is green, it doesnt matter if your interpretation is that the sky is purple, you have to engage with my view that the sky is green.

your theology is a pure facade, and relaity doesnt live in it. i present reality, so you cant engage with my arguments due to it. thanks for explaining it to me better like this.

its actually far far less than any other organization ever including schools.

also, not true. schools are only slightly more common, but schools are an extension of the institution of child exploitation thats been normalized by christianity.

Churches and schools are by far the most common places where children are abused also, so saying "far less than in any other organization ever" is just plain untrue. Also, much of church abuse is never reported, likely at least 90% imo, due to pressure and guilt. Ive known many ppl abused in hcurch and 9/10 never made a public thing of it. using gross exaggerations also, is not helping your cause

think about it. have you ever met a stranger who demanded you to trust them without question and had it go well, if you did? What if this stranger is a jew, demanding you to trust them without question. starting to make sense?

im just sharing the truth bc i want you to be free. I know that your trained aversion to 'blasphemy' is bad, but try to get past it for a second. You dont have to be psychically enslaved to the jewish molester. The first step is admitting that whats happened to you and your mind is truly evil, which can be hard

you havnt critiqued anything about the theology. instead of critiquing the house you are critiquing the dirt underneath the house. you have to take the time to understand how houses are built and learn about this particular house before you talk about what you dont like about the house

Also, much of church abuse is never reported, likely at least 90% imo,

how would you know any stats if its not reported?

churches are only slightly less common in report, but personally ive found church abuse is far less likely to be reported, far far less. But, le statistics arent ther for that. but thats a fact ive found to be true and many others ive talked to have seen too

even in reports though, schools and churches are close in prevalence, and by far the most common.
whitelawpllc.com/faqs/the-scale-of-child-sex-abuse-at-religious-institutions/

christianity also is far more likely to have it than any other religious organization.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39103255/
bravehearts.org.au/research-lobbying/stats-facts/child-sexual-abuse-religous-organisations/

you havnt critiqued anything about the theology. instead of critiquing the house you are critiquing the dirt underneath the house. you have to take the time to understand how houses are built and learn about this particular house before you talk about what you dont like about the house

im critiquing the theology- its ALL plain bad and irredeemable. theres nothing else ot debate about it because thats the plain truth. and you cant even grasp it, and say its because im not engaging with the theology. Do you know greek? I do, so i am actually engaging with the theology. Ive engaged with it deeply, and thats why im saying what i am.

You continuall ytry to demean me to try and cover up that im completely shitting on all your points and assertations that continue to be wrong, and im just noting that for everyone who sees. This is what it is to "debate a christian". i am drawing attention to the dirt, the foundation, because there is no foundation. its all just fecal matter.

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there's just catholics and protestants, really

christian theology is not built upon and has nothing to do with ammon hillman's translations of the greek, so its a non starter. i think that stuff is interesting too, but it doesnt matter who is right or wrong about what the original text says, christian theology is the product of 2000 years of thought from intelligent white men. it doenst matter if the original text is actually batman vs superman if you translate it a particular way, because thats not how it was interpreted

so another non-point. christian theology has been a horrible direction for society in every way. Its based off of lies and deceipt and brings degeneracy and killed gnosis. theres nothing to be said about it other than it being poison. Its the reason weve been able to justify the destruction of the earth, and all sorts of evil, "were all forgiven". In the past, "animal sacrifice" was the word for "eating meat", because people had a natural respect for animals, and didnt do it outside of ritual, respectful ways, wwhich still were often frowned on. But, because of jesus, we have no respect for animals or the earth anymore, weve raped and destroyed everything we can, and have 0 guilt about it.

People didnt beat their children, because people wanted their kids to grow up to be great, and have confidence. but, abraham the slave traders garbage says beating kids is an essential to their development.

It goes on and on. i am engaging with the theology, and ive found its all garbage, from start to finish. theres nothing else to say. youre either a shill or apologist or literal retard normie if you can truly say its just a differing pov.

christian theology is the product of 2000 years of thought from intelligent white men

nice try. no, its the degeneration of europe, julian the final pagan emperor spoke about it, and continually spoke about how much better the pagan stuff was for the mind, even after theyd attempted to brainwash him with it for the first 2 decades of his life. He tried desperately to undo constantines damage, because he, like all the philosophers of the time, saw that it was a bad direction.

AND IT WAS!

it brought the dark ages and antignosis, anti-intellect, etc.

Christianity is the product of the enslavement and rape of white men over the past nearly 2000 years, and their eventual and continual spread of this disease of degeneracy to the world.

Christian theology, in all its forms, no matter how intelligent or well intentioned the person was, is just a turd. We can polish and whitewash this turd all we want, but it will still be a turd. its deranged to pretend its not a turd at this point. i hope this thread has been informative for everyone.

CHECK OUT LADY BABYLON youtube page. honestly, i dont even watch it that much bc i just have schizo gnosis so i already knew most this before i found ammon, but hes an extremely good starter for anyone in search of true knowledge. try his greek courses. thats most of what i watch him for

the most brutal, violent, ignorant, and evil places in the world are all non christian. you do not want to be an animal that lives in china or india or africa. they literally use dump trucks to dump garbage into rivers. white christians are the only group of humans on earth that have abolished slavery, and promote basic empathy. you are so immersed in christian ideals such as treating others well and basic hygene that you dont even know they are christian. and why do you keep saying "we"? i dont do anything of those things you mentioned, i hope you dont either.

the "dark ages" likely didnt even happen. history from that era is very shoddy and doesnt hold up to scrutiny. and there is evidence there were serious climate problems caused by celestial events. for example literally the sun not shinning due to volcanic activity causing there to be no spring or summer for a year. if you dont like the fruits of white men you can always get off the internet, go back to your mudhut, and fight off cannibals trying to enslave you, you can travel to areas of the world today and live this lifestyle where no white man will protect you

you are so immersed in christian ideals such as treating others well and basic hygene that you dont even know they are christian.

no, christianity appropriated these things that we already had and made them into a religion. honor was anormal thing. many cultures literally did not eat meat, especially non seafood, until christanization and westernization.

also, you say you dont do any of the things i say. yes you do. you live in a western society, which runs on exploitation of children and animals. you may not see it, but you are fine to feed into it, bc of your christian whitewashed worldview

none of this human decency you say stems from christianity is real. its all whitewashing. people had honor and much more of it ebfore christianity. also

dark ages didnt happen

thanks for wasting my time, im obviously talking to some retard with some christian white nationalist fantasy. gtfoh

if you dont like the fruits of white men you can always get off the internet, go back to your mudhut, and fight off cannibals trying to enslave you, you can travel to areas of the world today and live this lifestyle where no white man will protect you

im white and i grew up in a christian family. you cant fool me. This supposed dichotomy between christianity and atheism is just a denial of spirituality in general. Its easy to see that christianity brought a horrible degenration to all. theres nothing else to say, ive explained why over and over and you refuse to acknowledge it, and try to explain it away with falsehoods that are easily shot down. continuing to answer would be a waste of my time. ive made myself clear, and you havent, only trying to unsuccessfully explain away the few points of mine that you can attempt to. thats all. thanks for your time

youll start to understand what im talking about when you get older and learn more about the world

retards like you continue to try to tell me shit like that and i continue to get older and realize i was right all along and its all gaslighting. and continue to go back to square one. youre delusional, you want me to be delusional too. have fun with that, but i wont pretend youre not just gaslighting. Thats what christianity is all about.

and again- you cant engage with anything said, just another strawman to demean any points ive made. this is the only thing you people do. Just pointing that out for everyone. thats what this thread has been, me spitting facts, some apologist trying to demean what im saying by saying "oh youll grow up soon!""oh no, youll come around eventually!" "oh no, you obviously just dont know what youre talking about! RIGHT GUYS!!!..." etc.

this is all that you fucking people have, its just gaslighting. literally kill yourself

Rejection of tradition when the only thing given to us by the founder is tradition.